‘Something weird is going on’: Antarctic sea ice stays at historic lows • Hacker News Board

Re: ‘Something weird is going on’: Antarctic sea ice stays at historic lows

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Post by PartiallyTyped » Sat, Jul 29, 2023, 12:33 PM UTC

myshpa wrote: post #4

tda wrote: post #2

“It is very much outside our understanding of this system.” This is what worries me: climate change leading to entirely new regimes that we don't understand and thus can't model or predict with any accuracy. You just can't build a seawall for a sealevel rise of between 50 and 300 cm somewhere in about 20 to 50 years. Or for heatwaves of maximum 35 to 45 degrees, precipitation of max 20-100mm/hour, etc. Climate adapta…

> in about 20 to 50 years That's the optimistic timeline :) I've read somewhere that up to half of Antarctic sea ice could easily disappear in hours or days, given right conditions. Greenland is not looking good either. https://richardcrim.substack.com/p/coming-soon When Greenland melts completely global sea levels will rise about 20 feet, or 7 meters. We aren’t talking about “if” anymore. We are way past that. Now,…

The sheer banality of the situation is astounding.

Re: ‘Something weird is going on’: Antarctic sea ice stays at historic lows

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Post by throwanem » Sat, Jul 29, 2023, 12:33 PM UTC

myshpa wrote: post #7

ChatGTP wrote: post #5

Another day passes, another day nowhere near enough is being done to get on top of this situation. If the US government had any brains, they'd be setting up a WW2 style mobilization against climate change and moving towards almost immediate decarbonization. This is an international effort working with NATO allies. It would only benefit everyone. New industry, safer economic outcomes long term, nicer world to live in.…

The worse the situation becomes, the less will be done. We could have taken action even 10, 20, or 40 years ago, but so far, we have done nothing significant to prevent it from happening. The longer we wait, the more expensive and complicated the solutions will become. Politicians are often reluctant to make unpopular moves that might anger their base, so they tend to focus on short-term goals rather than long-term s…

> the exponential growth of the human population driven by our financial system's need for constant growth. Yet, we have not even begun to start discussing that

Probably a good place to begin that discussion would be with some sort of demonstration that this is actually a thing that's happening. It seems like a difficult [1] argument to construct, so you should probably get on that.

[1] https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/world-populat...

Re: ‘Something weird is going on’: Antarctic sea ice stays at historic lows

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Post by jhgfjhgfjhfgjhg » Sat, Jul 29, 2023, 12:36 PM UTC

candiddevmike wrote: post #13

ChatGTP wrote: post #5

Another day passes, another day nowhere near enough is being done to get on top of this situation. If the US government had any brains, they'd be setting up a WW2 style mobilization against climate change and moving towards almost immediate decarbonization. This is an international effort working with NATO allies. It would only benefit everyone. New industry, safer economic outcomes long term, nicer world to live in.…

Republicans have made climate denial part of their identity. The US isn't capable of doing anything federally until the nation is reunified.

Look up Democrats' views on nuclear energy.

Re: ‘Something weird is going on’: Antarctic sea ice stays at historic lows

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Post by PartiallyTyped » Sat, Jul 29, 2023, 12:38 PM UTC

ChatGTP wrote: post #18

candiddevmike wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Republicans have made climate denial part of their identity. The US isn't capable of doing anything federally until the nation is reunified.

This is a good point, but is much being done while a democrat is in charge? Seems like Joe has squandered the best part of another term. Amendment: I didn't mean he is doing nothing, or a bad job, but he could even just address the UN or NATO and actually explain that while his hands are tied, he could offer support in any other way possible until America gets his head correct.

This shows an enormous amount of ignorance over how the US works.

Because of gerrymandering, republicans own the House of Representatives, no legislation can pass from the legislative branch if the Congress and the House don’t agree.

The executive branch can not “just” make new legislation. It’s not part of its power or job.

You can’t blame Joe because Marjorie Taylor Greene and every so and so lunatic has decided to screw everyone else and shove their head into the ground.

Re: ‘Something weird is going on’: Antarctic sea ice stays at historic lows

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Post by thelastparadise » Sat, Jul 29, 2023, 12:39 PM UTC

hermannj314 wrote: post #19

In other news, population is declining among Japanese and this is a huge crisis as well. What exactly does life look like per capita if population continues to increase or stay the same? How is the solution to this problem not exactly what the Japanese are doing? Time to kill off our pyramid scheme economic growth models and barbaric bronze age "be fruitful and multiply" religions.

This is a bit of a conspiracy-laden, incoherent approach to the problem.

How about we don't try to control the population (but still take good care of the environment?)

Perhaps by now we could already be building space colonies if it weren't for these kind of reactionary, knee-jerk responses to problems.

Re: ‘Something weird is going on’: Antarctic sea ice stays at historic lows

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Post by jhgfjhgfjhfgjhg » Sat, Jul 29, 2023, 12:39 PM UTC

revscat wrote: post #14

myshpa wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't believe there is anything we can do about the impending climate changes. But there is (something we could do). Climate change is caused by pollution and overconsumption. We're perfectly capable to change that ... we just don't want to. If we don't, the nature will force us. As it does with every species in overshoot. > all we can do is learn, prepare, and adapt But we don't know how it will play out. Imagin…

We would need to immediately stop the production and sale of all fossil fuels worldwide, at the point of a gun if necessary. The chances of this happening are zero.

That would kill billions of people. Your comment is why people don't take climate change seriously.

Re: ‘Something weird is going on’: Antarctic sea ice stays at historic lows

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Post by jhgfjhgfjhfgjhg » Sat, Jul 29, 2023, 12:40 PM UTC

PartiallyTyped wrote: post #24

ChatGTP wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a good point, but is much being done while a democrat is in charge? Seems like Joe has squandered the best part of another term. Amendment: I didn't mean he is doing nothing, or a bad job, but he could even just address the UN or NATO and actually explain that while his hands are tied, he could offer support in any other way possible until America gets his head correct.

This shows an enormous amount of ignorance over how the US works. Because of gerrymandering, republicans own the House of Representatives, no legislation can pass from the legislative branch if the Congress and the House don’t agree. The executive branch can not “just” make new legislation. It’s not part of its power or job. You can’t blame Joe because Marjorie Taylor Greene and every so and so lunatic has decided to…

This shows an enormous amount of ignorance of how federalism works. Nothing is stopping Californians from banning fossil fuels.

Re: ‘Something weird is going on’: Antarctic sea ice stays at historic lows

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Post by brmgb » Sat, Jul 29, 2023, 12:41 PM UTC

hermannj314 wrote: post #19

In other news, population is declining among Japanese and this is a huge crisis as well. What exactly does life look like per capita if population continues to increase or stay the same? How is the solution to this problem not exactly what the Japanese are doing? Time to kill off our pyramid scheme economic growth models and barbaric bronze age "be fruitful and multiply" religions.

You are 30 years late. The world at large didn’t wait for you. Fertility has been declining worldwide for decades and been subreplacement in the USA and Europe for quite sometimes. South East Asia and Africa are slowly getting there too. Population is only an issue because of demographic lag. It’s already sorted out. We just have to pass the bump.

Re: ‘Something weird is going on’: Antarctic sea ice stays at historic lows

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Post by PartiallyTyped » Sat, Jul 29, 2023, 12:41 PM UTC

thelastparadise wrote: post #25

hermannj314 wrote: post #19

In other news, population is declining among Japanese and this is a huge crisis as well. What exactly does life look like per capita if population continues to increase or stay the same? How is the solution to this problem not exactly what the Japanese are doing? Time to kill off our pyramid scheme economic growth models and barbaric bronze age "be fruitful and multiply" religions.

This is a bit of a conspiracy-laden, incoherent approach to the problem. How about we don't try to control the population (but still take good care of the environment?) Perhaps by now we could already be building space colonies if it weren't for these kind of reactionary, knee-jerk responses to problems.

Then you need to deal with every nutjob pushing the whole “spread your seed and raise obedient children in the name of $prophet”

Re: ‘Something weird is going on’: Antarctic sea ice stays at historic lows

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Post by ericmay » Sat, Jul 29, 2023, 12:41 PM UTC

ChatGTP wrote: post #18

candiddevmike wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Republicans have made climate denial part of their identity. The US isn't capable of doing anything federally until the nation is reunified.

This is a good point, but is much being done while a democrat is in charge? Seems like Joe has squandered the best part of another term. Amendment: I didn't mean he is doing nothing, or a bad job, but he could even just address the UN or NATO and actually explain that while his hands are tied, he could offer support in any other way possible until America gets his head correct.

President Biden can’t create legislation. That has to come from Congress. McCarthy (R) is speaker of the house.

“Can’t the President issue executive orders?”

Yes but the Supreme Court has been striking down and limiting the EPA from executing on executive orders or other mandates that the agency has. For example last year [1]

  > By a vote of 6 to 3, the court said that any time an agency does something big and new – in this case addressing climate change – the regulation is presumptively invalid, unless Congress has specifically authorized regulating in this sphere.

[1] https://www.npr.org/2022/06/30/1103595898/supreme-court-epa-...

-Edit in response to OP edit-

Biden actually has addressed the UN at least once [2] and discussed climate change. He wouldn’t address NATO on this topic because NATO is a defensive military alliance and most NATO members are well aware of climate change risks.

He doesn’t need to explain to other political leaders that his “hands are tied” because they already know and understand how the U.S. political landscape works.

[2] https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/biden-challenges-act-pandemi...