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‘Something weird is going on’: Antarctic sea ice stays at historic lows

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Re: ‘Something weird is going on’: Antarctic sea ice stays at historic lows

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Post by basisword »

myshpa wrote: post #7
ChatGTP wrote: post #5

Another day passes, another day nowhere near enough is being done to get on top of this situation. If the US government had any brains, they'd be setting up a WW2 style mobilization against climate change and moving towards almost immediate decarbonization. This is an international effort working with NATO allies. It would only benefit everyone. New industry, safer economic outcomes long term, nicer world to live in.…

The worse the situation becomes, the less will be done. We could have taken action even 10, 20, or 40 years ago, but so far, we have done nothing significant to prevent it from happening. The longer we wait, the more expensive and complicated the solutions will become. Politicians are often reluctant to make unpopular moves that might anger their base, so they tend to focus on short-term goals rather than long-term s…

>> We've so far done nothing to stop it from happening.

That is completely untrue. We’ve certainly not done enough but the world of 40, 20 and even 10 years ago was much worse. Unfortunately most of the changes have been ones forced on individuals while businesses and governments continue to pollute and cause damage.

Re: ‘Something weird is going on’: Antarctic sea ice stays at historic lows

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Post by myshpa »

CrzyLngPwd wrote: post #6

I don't believe there is anything we can do about the impending climate changes. In my opinion all we can do is learn, prepare, and adapt.

> I don't believe there is anything we can do about the impending climate changes.

But there is (something we could do).

Climate change is caused by pollution and overconsumption.

We're perfectly capable to change that ... we just don't want to.

If we don't, the nature will force us.

As it does with every species in overshoot.

> all we can do is learn, prepare, and adapt

But we don't know how it will play out. Imagine building a jenga tower. You'll remove a brick from the base and put it on top. The more you build the less stable the structure becomes.

Our society is an extremely complex system.

We don't know when and how, but we know it will collapse. And nobody can even know how it will look, what to expect, and what to prepare for.

Even those bunkers of our tech elites won't do them much good.

Re: ‘Something weird is going on’: Antarctic sea ice stays at historic lows

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Post by candiddevmike »

ChatGTP wrote: post #5

Another day passes, another day nowhere near enough is being done to get on top of this situation. If the US government had any brains, they'd be setting up a WW2 style mobilization against climate change and moving towards almost immediate decarbonization. This is an international effort working with NATO allies. It would only benefit everyone. New industry, safer economic outcomes long term, nicer world to live in.…

Republicans have made climate denial part of their identity. The US isn't capable of doing anything federally until the nation is reunified.

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Post by revscat »

myshpa wrote: post #12
CrzyLngPwd wrote: post #6

I don't believe there is anything we can do about the impending climate changes. In my opinion all we can do is learn, prepare, and adapt.

> I don't believe there is anything we can do about the impending climate changes. But there is (something we could do). Climate change is caused by pollution and overconsumption. We're perfectly capable to change that ... we just don't want to. If we don't, the nature will force us. As it does with every species in overshoot. > all we can do is learn, prepare, and adapt But we don't know how it will play out. Imagin…

We would need to immediately stop the production and sale of all fossil fuels worldwide, at the point of a gun if necessary.

The chances of this happening are zero.

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Post by bluescrn »

myshpa wrote: post #12
CrzyLngPwd wrote: post #6

I don't believe there is anything we can do about the impending climate changes. In my opinion all we can do is learn, prepare, and adapt.

> I don't believe there is anything we can do about the impending climate changes. But there is (something we could do). Climate change is caused by pollution and overconsumption. We're perfectly capable to change that ... we just don't want to. If we don't, the nature will force us. As it does with every species in overshoot. > all we can do is learn, prepare, and adapt But we don't know how it will play out. Imagin…

> Climate change is caused by pollution and overconsumption. We're perfectly capable to change that ... we just don't want to.

Yes, we can turn rich countries into poor countries by taking away transport, energy, and protein from the working class, and there's growing support for that approach.

But that approach also destroys most of the hope for technological solutions.

And even if the richest countries did sacrifice everything, would it be enough, if many other countries continued pursuing growth of economies, consumption, and population?

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Post by jfengel »

CrzyLngPwd wrote: post #6

I don't believe there is anything we can do about the impending climate changes. In my opinion all we can do is learn, prepare, and adapt.

We can't adapt to something that keeps changing. If we keep putting out CO2, the climate will keep getting hotter. It's not as if giving up will make it stop here. It really can go to 8C or more, a temperature that will make large parts of the earth uninhabitable.

We're going to be forced to make changes -- not just "adapt" but substantially alter society. The longer we wait the worse it will be.

Re: ‘Something weird is going on’: Antarctic sea ice stays at historic lows

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Post by jacquesm »

kardianos wrote: post #9

The ethical skeptic talks about this: https://theethicalskeptic.com/

Gah what a load of drivel. Seriously, if this is the kind of site that informs you there are other priceless nuggets on there such as 'China’s CCP Concealed SARS-CoV-2 Presence in China as Far Back as March 2018'. I'm all for engaging the argument but in this case there is this torrent of nonsense that doesn't even begin to compute and which it would take you a lifetime to properly debunk, at which point I don't doubt the author has created some more masterpieces. The name of the blog already sets you up for being gullible.

Re: ‘Something weird is going on’: Antarctic sea ice stays at historic lows

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Post by ChatGTP »

candiddevmike wrote: post #13
ChatGTP wrote: post #5

Another day passes, another day nowhere near enough is being done to get on top of this situation. If the US government had any brains, they'd be setting up a WW2 style mobilization against climate change and moving towards almost immediate decarbonization. This is an international effort working with NATO allies. It would only benefit everyone. New industry, safer economic outcomes long term, nicer world to live in.…

Republicans have made climate denial part of their identity. The US isn't capable of doing anything federally until the nation is reunified.

This is a good point, but is much being done while a democrat is in charge? Seems like Joe has squandered the best part of another term.

Amendment: I didn't mean he is doing nothing, or a bad job, but he could even just address the UN or NATO and actually explain that while his hands are tied, he could offer support in any other way possible until America gets his head correct.

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Post by hermannj314 »

In other news, population is declining among Japanese and this is a huge crisis as well.

What exactly does life look like per capita if population continues to increase or stay the same? How is the solution to this problem not exactly what the Japanese are doing?

Time to kill off our pyramid scheme economic growth models and barbaric bronze age "be fruitful and multiply" religions.

Re: ‘Something weird is going on’: Antarctic sea ice stays at historic lows

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Post by jacquesm »

jfengel wrote: post #16
CrzyLngPwd wrote: post #6

I don't believe there is anything we can do about the impending climate changes. In my opinion all we can do is learn, prepare, and adapt.

We can't adapt to something that keeps changing. If we keep putting out CO2, the climate will keep getting hotter. It's not as if giving up will make it stop here. It really can go to 8C or more, a temperature that will make large parts of the earth uninhabitable. We're going to be forced to make changes -- not just "adapt" but substantially alter society. The longer we wait the worse it will be.

I've seen the analogy be made that it is comparable to avoiding the grounding of a big vessel, say an ocean tanker. The sooner you act the smaller the course and velocity changes will have to be, the later the more extreme and violent they will have to be.

We're already well into the territory where we will in all likelihood not escape a grounding. But we can still choose the spot where we ground and indirectly affect how much work it will be to get the boat afloat again once that happens.

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