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IRC is the only viable chat protocol (2022)

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Re: IRC is the only viable chat protocol (2022)

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Post by pard68 »

nottorp wrote: post #40
tester756 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Let's start with one account between all servers. Go ahead and create 1 account per 1 server, nothing prevents you. I've actually been doing it for some time - school (1 server) & private discord account (like 10 servers). >And one censoring authority. Sure, that's valid concern, I respect it. For me it's a trade off.

> Go ahead and create 1 account per 1 server, nothing prevents you. You think? I still have to use the official client to log on to all of them so they can just ban all if their AI thinks I'm a communist pedophile terrorist.

I have two Discord accounts. The desktop app supports this and lets you log into multiple accounts at once. So I doubt it's against TOS.

Re: IRC is the only viable chat protocol (2022)

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Post by mtlmtlmtlmtl »

tester756 wrote: post #36
nottorp wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's start with one account between all servers. And one censoring authority. Nope, not a good idea.

> Let's start with one account between all servers. Go ahead and create 1 account per 1 server, nothing prevents you. I've actually been doing it for some time - school (1 server) & private discord account (like 10 servers). >And one censoring authority. Sure, that's valid concern, I respect it. For me it's a trade off.

Actually, if a previous account happened to have a phone number attached, and you're asked for one again when making a second account, then provide the same number, Discord will automatically ban both accounts with no way to appeal.

Which happened to me because I apparently had an old account I had forgotten about. So now I need a new phone number if I want to use Discord.

Re: IRC is the only viable chat protocol (2022)

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Post by redserk »

pmoriarty wrote: post #83
op00to wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I worked in a global team. When I got booted off VPN I would have my irc connection drop and I would miss critical conversations. IRC sucks for collaboration.

You could just use an IRC bouncer. But, yeah, I understand this is beyond the capabilities of your typical user, and not something most users even know exists. This is really a UI/UX deficiency of IRC, not a functional deficiency.

I couldn’t imagine joining a workplace only to be told that I had to maintain a service to participate in essential communication channels.

Re: IRC is the only viable chat protocol (2022)

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Post by MildRant »

> The fundamental fact that Discord users refuse to see is that the platform isn't run on magic dust and fairy incantations, but actual human beings. Using Discord is no different from having a group of strangers sitting in your room with you, noting down every word you say to your friends and everything you run on your computer, and doing the devil knows what with it.

Anyone making this argument doesn't understand why people use Discord. These articles about why Discord is bad crop up over time and they ALL miss the boat. If your argument is that "Discord isn't private" then you've already lost because no one who uses Discord cares about that and you've shown that you don't actually understand Discord.

Re: IRC is the only viable chat protocol (2022)

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Post by Biganon »

op00to wrote: post #72
pmoriarty wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know if you ever used IRC to get help on technical issues, but I've done that a lot, and going back to figure out what the solution was to a particularly thorny technical problem that someone told me about years ago has been something I've done multiple times.

Yeah, let’s just spend 30 minutes grepping the IRC logs!

If you have the logs as text files, then there's literally nothing you could be doing better. Want to index them? Turn them into a database? Use fuzzy search? Grepping? Everything is possible.

Therefore I don't understand your sarcasm. What's the alternative? If you find Discord's search feature good, you could implement it on top of the text logs.

Re: IRC is the only viable chat protocol (2022)

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Post by redserk »

pmoriarty wrote: post #46
ginko wrote: post #8

> The reliability and lack of bloat that are inherent to IRC ultimately also means that there are a number of fancy modern features that Discord has that IRC lacks, a big one being the inability to view backlogs of conversations that transpired while one was not connected to an IRC server. Although IRC does not itself provide this functionality, the extremely simple nature of IRC allows for a couple of lightweight op…

Discord has shitty logging and log-search capabilities. Discord's logging is shitty because: 1 - The logs aren't yours, they're Discord's. If you get banned from the server, your server shuts down, or Discord bans you altogether your access to those logs is gone forever. 2 - Unlike the logs of some IRC channels, Discord's logs aren't available on the web anywhere, so they can't be indexed or searched outside of Disco…

Let’s not suggest IRC logs are much better. Individual clients may be able to log but say you just join a project channel with years of discussion — you’d have literally nothing to start with.

Discord gives you a chance at searching old history with zero additional setup if the permissions allow.

For both IRC and Discord you’d need to run a bot to have truly open logs online.

Re: IRC is the only viable chat protocol (2022)

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Post by redog »

op00to wrote: post #72
pmoriarty wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know if you ever used IRC to get help on technical issues, but I've done that a lot, and going back to figure out what the solution was to a particularly thorny technical problem that someone told me about years ago has been something I've done multiple times.

Yeah, let’s just spend 30 minutes grepping the IRC logs!

try ripgrep. You're welcome
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