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IRC is the only viable chat protocol (2022)

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Re: IRC is the only viable chat protocol (2022)

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Post by Razengan »

tester756 wrote: post #16

Discord haters look, it is simple. Until Discord appeared we had Ventrilo, Mumble, TeamSpeak, Skype, etc, etc I've been using those for like 10 years almost everyday They had voice chat, some had viable text chat, etc, etc. And then Discord appeared which had: Voice Chat, Good text chat (images, code snippets, emojis, reactions, etc) Streaming Video (!!) File share Robust bot integration Lack of security problem unli…

I get what you're saying, I like Discord, but I wish there was an ecosystem of custom (less bloaty) apps to connect to Discord with, like IRC had.

Re: IRC is the only viable chat protocol (2022)

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Post by fruitreunion1 »

tester756 wrote: post #36
nottorp wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's start with one account between all servers. And one censoring authority. Nope, not a good idea.

> Let's start with one account between all servers. Go ahead and create 1 account per 1 server, nothing prevents you. I've actually been doing it for some time - school (1 server) & private discord account (like 10 servers). >And one censoring authority. Sure, that's valid concern, I respect it. For me it's a trade off.

>Go ahead and create 1 account per 1 server, nothing prevents you.

Doesn't having to give up a phone number for each account (and you can't use the same number on different accounts) make it difficult? (unless you haven't had to, maybe my browser is suspicious, but it's just regular old Chromium). Would like to do this so that I can separate IRL/weak pseudonym (from random people in servers, obviously you can't be truly anonymous on Discord)

Re: IRC is the only viable chat protocol (2022)

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Post by imtringued »

nottorp wrote: post #33
tester756 wrote: post #16

Discord haters look, it is simple. Until Discord appeared we had Ventrilo, Mumble, TeamSpeak, Skype, etc, etc I've been using those for like 10 years almost everyday They had voice chat, some had viable text chat, etc, etc. And then Discord appeared which had: Voice Chat, Good text chat (images, code snippets, emojis, reactions, etc) Streaming Video (!!) File share Robust bot integration Lack of security problem unli…

Let's start with one account between all servers. And one censoring authority. Nope, not a good idea.

I have so many discord accounts because they won't let you change your avatar based on the server.

Yeah there is a way to register accounts without phone number verification. I did it four times. The trick is that they block you if you do anything suspicious and any account created under this 'suspicious' state demands phone verification. I don't know how they identify you, but you must succeed with your first try. So your best bet is to find an email provider that is trusted by discord that does not need a phone number.

Re: IRC is the only viable chat protocol (2022)

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Post by op00to »

ginko wrote: post #8

> The reliability and lack of bloat that are inherent to IRC ultimately also means that there are a number of fancy modern features that Discord has that IRC lacks, a big one being the inability to view backlogs of conversations that transpired while one was not connected to an IRC server. Although IRC does not itself provide this functionality, the extremely simple nature of IRC allows for a couple of lightweight op…

Chat without history is such a waste. I used IRC recreationally back in the day, then at work for 10 years. What a total garbage communication format IRC is. People changing nicks to indicate being away was my biggest complaint.

Re: IRC is the only viable chat protocol (2022)

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Post by rvz »

That ship has sailed. IRC lost to Discord years ago. Don't care about it being closed source. IRC also lost to the Matrix protocol as not only that is much better, it is also just as competitive with Element and they are making money, meaning that they can afford to add more features.

IRC is prehistoric ancient history. It's time to evolve and leave that protocol in the dust and go with modern alternatives like Matrix.

Re: IRC is the only viable chat protocol (2022)

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Post by jacooper »

the_gipsy wrote: post #17

Matrix is a very viable chat protocol: I have been using it now full-time for some months. I even bridged my whatsapp and telegram accounts so that I exclusively use the matrix clients on my phone and desktop without hiccups. I find that I can use it both for IRL friend groups á la whatsapp, and for online "rooms" á la IRC/discord/slack (but with history, which IRC is lacking).

How do you deal with the terrible element client? I use matrix, but I don't bridge my accounts because I can't trust element.

Re: IRC is the only viable chat protocol (2022)

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Post by [deleted] »

nottorp wrote: post #59
tester756 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, I think, because I used to run 2 accounts for a few years. >I still have to use the official client to log on to all of them so they can just ban all if their AI thinks I'm a communist pedophile terrorist. so... what? Your country can cause you a lot of harm too if they think you're pedophile terrorist. That's edge case, not something that happens to 99.99% of the users.

A lot of countries tend to have some sort of due process, as opposed to a chat server's "AI".

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Re: IRC is the only viable chat protocol (2022)

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Post by op00to »

pmoriarty wrote: post #46
ginko wrote: post #8

> The reliability and lack of bloat that are inherent to IRC ultimately also means that there are a number of fancy modern features that Discord has that IRC lacks, a big one being the inability to view backlogs of conversations that transpired while one was not connected to an IRC server. Although IRC does not itself provide this functionality, the extremely simple nature of IRC allows for a couple of lightweight op…

Discord has shitty logging and log-search capabilities. Discord's logging is shitty because: 1 - The logs aren't yours, they're Discord's. If you get banned from the server, your server shuts down, or Discord bans you altogether your access to those logs is gone forever. 2 - Unlike the logs of some IRC channels, Discord's logs aren't available on the web anywhere, so they can't be indexed or searched outside of Disco…

IRC is an information black hole where data that crosses the event horizon (scrolls off screen) will never return.

Sure, you can write your own logs, but does your business want you creating even more information to have to submit as evidence if you’re sued? What a nightmare.

Re: IRC is the only viable chat protocol (2022)

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Post by throw2022110401 »

aykutcan wrote: post #42

Tell me what happened your freenode? Discord is IRC's next evolution. Next generation chat. Good voice, excellent interactivity. It has problems (bugs & weak beta phases) but after nearly 20 years of irc, i stopped my bnc (currently znc) instance last week. ~20 years of irc, countless bots, tons of good memories. it is time to say goodbye for now.

> Tell me what happened your freenode?

It shat the bed, just like Twitter and Reddit did recently.

The huge difference is that with IRC we were able to painlessly hop over to libera.chat pretty much the same day while a lot of people are still struggling to leave the other two behind. I have learned my lesson, it's open services for anything important.

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