Not receiving a message unless you're online is really the deal breaker for most people
That's a feature in many people's eyes
IRC is the only viable chat protocol (2022)
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Re: IRC is the only viable chat protocol (2022)
#32> The reliability and lack of bloat that are inherent to IRC ultimately also means that there are a number of fancy modern features that Discord has that IRC lacks, a big one being the inability to view backlogs of conversations that transpired while one was not connected to an IRC server. Although IRC does not itself provide this functionality, the extremely simple nature of IRC allows for a couple of lightweight op…
I like that IRC has no backlog support. When you join a channel it's like you actually joined a room. You don't know what they were talking about when you weren't there.
That's nice as an optional feature but as a baseline it just seems like sentimental skeumorphism/metaphorism.
Chat being real-time is certainly "approaching real life" much moreso than fully asynchronous email, but most people don't want either to be real life: chat still needs an element of asynchronicity to distinguish it as a technologically useful medium improving over actually walking into a real room.
To put it another way: if I'm in a real life room where being present for the full conversation is necessary, it's easy to excuse being late or going to the bathroom as unfortunate parts of life when people are repeating themselves. When there's simple technological solutions that can easily prevent me from missing anything important, and someone's telling me they don't want it because they like the inconvenience, that's harder to justify.
Re: IRC is the only viable chat protocol (2022)
#33Discord haters look, it is simple. Until Discord appeared we had Ventrilo, Mumble, TeamSpeak, Skype, etc, etc I've been using those for like 10 years almost everyday They had voice chat, some had viable text chat, etc, etc. And then Discord appeared which had: Voice Chat, Good text chat (images, code snippets, emojis, reactions, etc) Streaming Video (!!) File share Robust bot integration Lack of security problem unli…
Let's start with one account between all servers.
And one censoring authority.
Nope, not a good idea.
Re: IRC is the only viable chat protocol (2022)
#34Was IRC ever used privately and internally within the workplace? I'd like to know if anyone did. I only ever used it briefly with forum communities and some older OSS projects. At work, it has only ever been Slack. Some older employees recall using Skype for Business.
Absolutely. Most big tech companies had, at one point, or still have (Google's is alive and well - how do you talk to your coworkers over Google Meet to troubleshoot why Meet is down when Meet is down?) their own internal IRC server that the sysadmins setup because it was easy enough to stand one up and all the tech people were on IRC anyway, back in the day. IRC predates cloud and the virtual machine proliferation, nevermind Docker.
Re: IRC is the only viable chat protocol (2022)
#35My friends and I started a private IRC server when we were in university and still use it to this day (15ish years later). We also used to run a ventrilo server that quickly got replaced by mumble. I can't see us ever switching to discord. IRC was always a pretty big part of my life, it's where I got into organized quake/cs1.6/Dota matches. I'm not as involved in hardcore gaming now, but I suspect that's all been rep…
Everything since then just adds more whitespace
I always felt that UX people are self-loathing, and thus, view their best work as... nothingness!
The more of nothing they add, the more space, the more emptiness, the more comfortable they are with their work!
The less of them, the better they did!
"Hi, I took this perfect thing, and added ... nothingness, and got paid for it!"
Perhaps, a little voice in my head whispers, the nothingness matches their soul!
Re: IRC is the only viable chat protocol (2022)
#36Discord haters look, it is simple. Until Discord appeared we had Ventrilo, Mumble, TeamSpeak, Skype, etc, etc I've been using those for like 10 years almost everyday They had voice chat, some had viable text chat, etc, etc. And then Discord appeared which had: Voice Chat, Good text chat (images, code snippets, emojis, reactions, etc) Streaming Video (!!) File share Robust bot integration Lack of security problem unli…
Let's start with one account between all servers. And one censoring authority. Nope, not a good idea.
> Let's start with one account between all servers.
Go ahead and create 1 account per 1 server, nothing prevents you.
I've actually been doing it for some time - school (1 server) & private discord account (like 10 servers).
>And one censoring authority.
Sure, that's valid concern, I respect it.
For me it's a trade off.
Re: IRC is the only viable chat protocol (2022)
#37At its core, I agree that the bare-bones nature of IRC can be wonderful. But all of the modern services like Teams, Slack and Discord, have seamlessness between client devices as their first priority. People leave their laptop, go to the bathroom, get their phone out and go on typing. I used IRC for a brief period even after we began to have multiple devices. It was always through some kind of proxy, or basically an…
> But all of the modern services like Teams, Slack and Discord, have seamlessness between client devices as their first priority.
First? Slack takes ages to sync lately (sometimes you have to explicitly refresh) and has a ... random ... idea of how to move unread counts around.
Discord never notifies me of direct messages from my daughter but always notifies me of announcements in a gaming discord i've explicitly muted to hell and back.
Re: IRC is the only viable chat protocol (2022)
#38Was IRC ever used privately and internally within the workplace? I'd like to know if anyone did. I only ever used it briefly with forum communities and some older OSS projects. At work, it has only ever been Slack. Some older employees recall using Skype for Business.
Yes in Swiss Bank/UBS with logging and other extensions to make it effectively one server across regions. - This was either sold to Microsoft as MindAlign
Re: IRC is the only viable chat protocol (2022)
#39Was IRC ever used privately and internally within the workplace? I'd like to know if anyone did. I only ever used it briefly with forum communities and some older OSS projects. At work, it has only ever been Slack. Some older employees recall using Skype for Business.
Yes we had a private irc server for work in the 2000s.
Re: IRC is the only viable chat protocol (2022)
#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
Let's start with one account between all servers. And one censoring authority. Nope, not a good idea.
> Let's start with one account between all servers. Go ahead and create 1 account per 1 server, nothing prevents you. I've actually been doing it for some time - school (1 server) & private discord account (like 10 servers). >And one censoring authority. Sure, that's valid concern, I respect it. For me it's a trade off.
> Go ahead and create 1 account per 1 server, nothing prevents you.
You think? I still have to use the official client to log on to all of them so they can just ban all if their AI thinks I'm a communist pedophile terrorist.