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Plans develop for high-speed rail in the PNW

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Re: Plans develop for high-speed rail in the PNW

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post #5

It would be useful if you could drive your car onto the rail and it carried you and your car at 300 mph.

If done right the stations will be in locations where having a car is more of a liability than a convenience (i.e. downtowns with lots of traffic and expensive parking).

There are (at most) 2 of those locations in the entire US PNW... downtown Seattle and Downtown Portland. And frankly I'm not sure Portland counts.

Re: Plans develop for high-speed rail in the PNW

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post #5

It would be useful if you could drive your car onto the rail and it carried you and your car at 300 mph.

If done right the stations will be in locations where having a car is more of a liability than a convenience (i.e. downtowns with lots of traffic and expensive parking).

There’s a little problem with that. You want people who live close but not directly near one of the stations to also drive and park and take it. So you do need stations continently outside of the super dense metro area.

Re: Plans develop for high-speed rail in the PNW

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post #3

Amtrak Cascade has trains that can do 125 mph but are throttled to 78 mph because of low quality tracks, as I understand it. Amtrak also recently just started running many more trains per day between Seattle and Portland. High speed rail is great, but maybe a good starting point would just be… fixing the tracks. Get 3 1/2 hours from SEA to PDX down closer to 2…

I think the tracks are the most expensive part though, no?

Although I'm not sure if you mean the physical tracks are in poor condition or the layout. If it's the layout, that's not much easier to fix than building a HSR. They may not even be able to fix the railroad company owned tracks?

Re: Plans develop for high-speed rail in the PNW

#14

It would be useful if you could drive your car onto the rail and it carried you and your car at 300 mph.

I am not sure it is useful to transport 2000 kg of metal occupying a half of a rail car, just to move 80kg meatbag for a distance of 173 miles.

Re: Plans develop for high-speed rail in the PNW

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Extremely unlikely. The population density just isn't there. There are 12m people in Washington and Oregon combined, a substantial portion of whom are not on the I-5 corridor. The corridor in general is about 800km long. Compare to ~70m within 500 km of Paris.

and it looks like they have 7 high speed lines coming from Paris. Seems the PNW could afford 1.

Re: Plans develop for high-speed rail in the PNW

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post #13
post #3

Amtrak Cascade has trains that can do 125 mph but are throttled to 78 mph because of low quality tracks, as I understand it. Amtrak also recently just started running many more trains per day between Seattle and Portland. High speed rail is great, but maybe a good starting point would just be… fixing the tracks. Get 3 1/2 hours from SEA to PDX down closer to 2…

I think the tracks are the most expensive part though, no? Although I'm not sure if you mean the physical tracks are in poor condition or the layout. If it's the layout, that's not much easier to fix than building a HSR. They may not even be able to fix the railroad company owned tracks?

I don’t know the answer to either of your questions. Is track more expensive than new high-speed trains?

Re: Plans develop for high-speed rail in the PNW

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They allocated $150M according to the article.

I can't see that being enough to even break ground on a single mile of track.

If California boondoggle is any indication, it will be enough to staff an army of middle managers, bureaucrats, and environmental impact and DEI staff for a year, and, of course, pay out some political kickbacks.

Re: Plans develop for high-speed rail in the PNW

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you know there are nice and fast trains in Europe outside of the Paris region?

Which carry all those people mentioned, around? Europe is crazily, densely populated.

Perhaps you'll be shocked to hear that countries like Sweden have HSR despite not being particularly densely populated? It's absurd how much money is poured into roads and yet never attracts the same criticism.

Re: Plans develop for high-speed rail in the PNW

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post #5

It would be useful if you could drive your car onto the rail and it carried you and your car at 300 mph.

If done right the stations will be in locations where having a car is more of a liability than a convenience (i.e. downtowns with lots of traffic and expensive parking).

Yeah see this is the problem - urbanist aesthetics demanding everyone live a very particular lifestyle, which includes a lot more than just urban living hamstringing projects.

Re: Plans develop for high-speed rail in the PNW

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post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If done right the stations will be in locations where having a car is more of a liability than a convenience (i.e. downtowns with lots of traffic and expensive parking).

There’s a little problem with that. You want people who live close but not directly near one of the stations to also drive and park and take it. So you do need stations continently outside of the super dense metro area.

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