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Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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Post by lockhouse »

SllX wrote: post #500
Tagbert wrote: post #439

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What could you buy before, apart from the Mac? Perhaps we need a definition of GPC?

You have to go back a long time, but just the Apple II[1] technically, and maybe the Newton, but both would be less general than a pre-App Store 2007 iPhone because Safari is such a difference maker. [1]: I, III, Lisa, too, but I mean you get the gist,

Enlighten me, what could you do an Apple II that you can't do on a modern Mac?

It has a real UNIX terminal. I can write code in nearly any programming language. There are thousands of packages that I can install easily with Homebrew. It feels general purpose to me.

Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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Post by BLKNSLVR »

mrguyorama wrote: post #219
ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #11

Honestly I don't know how iPhone users live without the back button (or more accurately now, the back gesture). I used an iPhone for a year (work phone) and just could not get over how much harder it was to work a large iphone. I felt like I had to reach every corner of the screen much more often than on Android.

I don't understand how anyone is satisfied with ANY "gesture" based navigation, I still have the classic android 3 button setup from the good old days. I have a dedicated back button that is ONLY a back button, so no issue with it changing the "activity" you are working in like the modern android back gesture, a dedicated home button that always goes home, and a dedicated "bring up all alive activities" button that f…

Last time I installed LineageOS I tried the gesture navigation and it did provide a hands-on tutorial as part of enabling it.

- Swipe up (from anywhere) to access the app tray

- Swipe up and hold to see the app history / currently in-memory apps

- Swipe from the side of the screen to go back (can be configured to just be the bottom half of the screen and a "thinner" sensitivity area - which I needed because the defaults were stupid and made 'back' such a frequent accidental action).

They're the only gestures I've bothered to learn, and I get by. Still not sure it's better or worse than have the 10 pixel space at the bottom for the navigation buttons.

Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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Post by dopeboy »

thedriver wrote: post #41

iPhones end up being cheaper in the long run. They get software updates much longer than almost any Android phone, and at least here even small cities have local shops that repair them. It's also just a superior user experience. I wish they kept on making the mini models though. I'm using a 13 mini, which has been really nice. Most modern smartphones are uncomfortable to carry in the front pocket of slim pants.

Took me a long time to figure this out. My SE is still pretty great, if a little slow. My Pixel would have been decapitated by this time.

Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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Post by brookst »

zh3 wrote: post #316
lolinder wrote: post #278

The link should really be to the original report [0]. This 55% is iPhone's share of phone shipments in Q2, not the number of users of the respective phones at any given time. In other words, fewer people are buying smartphones than were before, but Apple saw less of a hit to their numbers than everyone else did. Contrary to existing comments here, this stat doesn't appear to indicate that people are switching from An…

I'm constantly amazed by how people spend so much of their income on Apple products; it's almost like their lives are ruled by the status they feel an iPhone brings (and the consequential sacrificial purchasing). It likely varies by area and average income, here it's almost an inverse correlation - the less-well off kids at school tend to have parents on iPhones and the comfortable parents are on whatever works for t…

I'm amazed at the emotionality of people who dislike Apple. I guess it's a classic projection thing where those with strong emotions opposed assume that those who disagree must do so out of the polar opposite emotion.

Apple products are less expensive the more money you make. Not just as a relative income statement, but because of resale value. You can buy a new $1000 phone every single year and end up spending $300/year net of taxes and depreciation. You just have to have the capital that you can tie up.

Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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Post by graeme »

2muchcoffeeman wrote: post #598
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #578

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you say "with much worse support"? That's not the case anymore, at least for Pixels.

Because it’s true? The pixel 6a will get 3 years of updates and 5 years of security updates. On a phone that was released 12 months ago. So it hasn’t been tested yet. Plenty of time for google to renege on that. The Pixel 6a is at least a cheaper phone. But the Pixel 7 are flagship prices for the same support. iPhones have been getting this level of updates since almost day one. The last iPhone I ran into the ground…

To add to this, Apple is still adding security patches for iOS 15. That reaches all the way back to the iPhone 6s, released in 2015, eight years ago.

Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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Post by AlotOfReading »

bobbylarrybobby wrote: post #566
sb057 wrote: post #223

I'm part of this statistic. I've been an Android user my entire adult life, but it really has been a constant downward spiral over these past several years. My previous three phones from LG, Motorola, and Xiaomi all had major software bugs that were never fixed, the biggest being just incredibly poor network connectivity (across multiple carriers, mind you) resulting in at least several calls just not connecting to m…

Why do you resent that your money went to a company who put a good device in your hand? I'd resent giving money to a company who can't be bothered to make a device that makes me happy.

I'm pretty sure you could fill a library with how much this topic has been discussed over the years, but iOS doesn't make everyone happy. It's entirely possible to enjoy the stability while also being frustrated by Apple's software design choices.

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Post by makeitdouble »

scarface_74 wrote: post #552
makeitdouble wrote: post #547

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I seriously doubt that there are any Androids out there that could get even close to that. I don't see the 2020 SE getting software upgrades for much longer, it's already the bottom of the barrel for iOS17, so I guess you're OK to forgo those for a while ? If your phone needs are low enough you can get by with the SE in 2026, buying a Gakaxy A series today would totally fit the bill, and you probably could get one…

The iPhone 5s from 2013 got a security update earlier this year..

Fair point. Super critical security updates could go on, while official OS support is dead.

To note, iOS doesn't allow alternative browsers so Safari will also be stuck in time and there will be no option to get any modern engine on the device (I'm not even sure you could get one through jailbreaking, that would be a lot of porting efforts for virtually no one on the market)

I resurrected a third gen iPad a few weeks ago for no reason, and the most interesting part was it couldn't get past Cloudflare's browser check, so couldn't even see some of simpler and primitive sites on the web.

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Post by garaetjjte »

AuthorizedCust wrote: post #48

Android’s problem is Pixel is the only good one, and it has not been flagship quality since the Pixel 2. The 3 had odd issues, the 4 had a laughable battery life, and 5-7 are a weird mix of midrange and flagship capability (trending towards flagship, but not in the club yet). All other Android vendors are on a continuum of crap, between these points: 1. loaded with bloat and customizations that aren’t better than wha…

They really need to fab their SoC on something better than crappy Samsung 5nm process.

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Post by yCombLinks »

willio58 wrote: post #438
sb057 wrote: post #223

I'm part of this statistic. I've been an Android user my entire adult life, but it really has been a constant downward spiral over these past several years. My previous three phones from LG, Motorola, and Xiaomi all had major software bugs that were never fixed, the biggest being just incredibly poor network connectivity (across multiple carriers, mind you) resulting in at least several calls just not connecting to m…

> I resent that my money went to a company like Apple When comparing Apple to a companies like LG, Motorola, and Xiaomi, what do you find to be worse about Apple? Genuine question.

Steve Jobs was one of America's greatest assholes

Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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Post by rtpg »

zh3 wrote: post #316
lolinder wrote: post #278

The link should really be to the original report [0]. This 55% is iPhone's share of phone shipments in Q2, not the number of users of the respective phones at any given time. In other words, fewer people are buying smartphones than were before, but Apple saw less of a hit to their numbers than everyone else did. Contrary to existing comments here, this stat doesn't appear to indicate that people are switching from An…

I'm constantly amazed by how people spend so much of their income on Apple products; it's almost like their lives are ruled by the status they feel an iPhone brings (and the consequential sacrificial purchasing). It likely varies by area and average income, here it's almost an inverse correlation - the less-well off kids at school tend to have parents on iPhones and the comfortable parents are on whatever works for t…

You should look at the costs of most of the high-end Android phones. Apple does not sell the most expensive phones!

"People don't need high-end phones" perhaps, but somehow I don't see people making this comment about Samsung phones.

iphone 14 is only $800! Meanwhile loads of high-end Android phones are at $1000+. The meme is dead

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