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US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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You must have gone without security or other OS updates then, which I would consider a deal breaker with a phone. Google only recently extended the Pixel OS support timeline to be on par with Android.

Yes, I don't care about getting updates. If they're important to you, that's fair. But the phones don't suddenly stop working without updates. They're still perfectly fine.

I hope you don't do banking or anything critical on your phone.

Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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I'm part of this statistic. I've been an Android user my entire adult life, but it really has been a constant downward spiral over these past several years. My previous three phones from LG, Motorola, and Xiaomi all had major software bugs that were never fixed, the biggest being just incredibly poor network connectivity (across multiple carriers, mind you) resulting in at least several calls just not connecting to m…

"there really is no alternative if you want a decent cell phone in 2023" is just plain wrong. I try to avoid lumping all of the android manufacturers together and treat them individually when comparing them to apple. LG, Motorola, and Xiaomi are not as good as apple but Samsung is. Decent argument to be made for OnePlus, Google, and Asus matching apple as well.

Samsung is disappointing than Xiomi. My Mi phone lasted 4 years and after switching to samsung, it didn't even last more than 2 years. After the battery died, samsung became useless.

Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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How are we still, 15 years later, stuck in the feigned incredulity stage of android vs ios? "I don't see how anyone still buys an ____. How can you not see the overwhelming evidence that ____ is unequivocally the better phone?" If either device can fit in either blank, as it has all over this thread, perhaps that's because there hasn't been any undeniably impactful feature improvements on either platform in the last…

It's a useful signal: these people aren't worth engaging with.

Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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The link should really be to the original report [0]. This 55% is iPhone's share of phone shipments in Q2, not the number of users of the respective phones at any given time. In other words, fewer people are buying smartphones than were before, but Apple saw less of a hit to their numbers than everyone else did. Contrary to existing comments here, this stat doesn't appear to indicate that people are switching from An…

>> This 55% is iPhone's share of phone shipments in Q2, not the number of users of the respective phones at any given time. That's generally what a "market share" number measures: the share of sales during a period of times. The number of users of devices would be the "installed base."

>That's generally what a "market share" number measures: the share of sales during a period of times.

We don't measure Browser Market Share as number of downloads during a period of times. Nor do we measure OS market share as number of license sold during a quarter.

The reason why Market Share, or share of sales during a period of times were used for commodity, repeatable sales. Because knowing you have 50% of Ketchup sales meaning you own 50% of the Ketchup market.

And when you talk to average people, no one would think Market Share of Browser, OS, Photoshop, as Sales over period of time. The same goes with Apple and Android, when you talk about market share, people will think usage. Not shipment.

Unfortunately even on HN the two is 99% mixed up. As a matter of fact this is the first time someone mention this difference that even gets enough attentions to be the top voted comment.

Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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post #223

I'm part of this statistic. I've been an Android user my entire adult life, but it really has been a constant downward spiral over these past several years. My previous three phones from LG, Motorola, and Xiaomi all had major software bugs that were never fixed, the biggest being just incredibly poor network connectivity (across multiple carriers, mind you) resulting in at least several calls just not connecting to m…

>>really is no alternative if you want a decent cell phone in 2023. False, Pixel phone. Same deal as the manufacturer of the OS is making the hardware so you get tighter integration

The best and tightest integration is when the ad network, phone OS, and hardware are all made by the same people.

Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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I am also part of this statistic. I feel like android dumbed down the google assistant. Sometimes I am no longer sure what app is called on hey google. In comparison to Bixby, the tech became worse. I would have switched to SE if my wife did not get me a pro for my birthday (to communicate in iMessage). And now I am on this boring phone no longer passionate about phones anymore.

> And now I am on this boring phone no longer passionate about phones anymore. Oh man, I could not relate more to this. With how hard it has become to run rooted, for the first time in well over a decade I'm running stock Android with no root. It used to be so exciting! A computer in my pocket! But more and more Apple's (awful IMHO) vision of the phone as an "appliance" rather than a general purpose computer is becom…

Graphene on a pixel is great. It's easy to install, with an online, real time(live) install and load.(Do not adb, a computer, USB drive, etc etc.) It does add a bit of 'let's install a MacOS on an Alienware' feel to computing without the pain. Then f droid and infinite other sources for apps.

Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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post #535

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The rest of the world chose a different stupidity, locking in their messaging to Meta's platform.

Is it really worse though? I can use WhatsApp on any device I want, I'm not locked to iPhone. Japan uses LINE. Network effect implies a convergence to one app (pick your poison) and I am certain WhatsApp is better than the US situation.

Yes, it is really worse. One is an ad network built on mass surveillance of users; the other sells hardware.

Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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iPhones just work. Macs just work. 99% of people don’t want to spend time configuring anything. Both iOS and Android stopped innovating like 5 years ago, but at least the Apple ecosystem doesn’t feel dead like Android.

I've bought 2 apple products, my wife has bought 1. iPad: Failed after a year, no replacement (we can 'upgrade') - it technically works but shuts down 3 or 4 minutes after boot. mac Mini: Hard disk failed. Out of warranty, so bought a cheap SSD and gave it to the kids (they prefer something that plays modern games). iPod: Old, yes, taken out of the drawer for a road trip but dead as a doornail. Admittedly, not tried…

I have a 2011 mac mini that is being used as a file/media/misc apps server right now. I’ve also got a 2020 m1 mba (personal) and a xps 15 (from work) and while the xps is more powerful, it does not feel as nice as the mba (no noise, feels solid). I’m not at all happy with apple’s restrictions, but they build nice tools. When i want something to tinker with, I choose something else.

Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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>foldable shipments could reach their highest level ever in the US in Q3 2023.

Yes, people with a bit more disposable income &/or early adopters (there's some overlap there) are going to be less price sensitive and therefore less put off by rising costs elsewhere in their lives. Of course it helps that there are increasingly more foldable options, and more mature designs in them, as time goes by.

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