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US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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I'm thinking of making the switch to iPhone this year once the USB-C model comes out Whether I regret it, not sure, I mean Android isn't _that_ bad really and the Samsung phones are good, but I think Apple have nailed the ecosystem thing a lot better than what google have.

nailed the ecosystem == perfected vendor lock-in?

Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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I'm constantly amazed by how people spend so much of their income on Apple products; it's almost like their lives are ruled by the status they feel an iPhone brings (and the consequential sacrificial purchasing). It likely varies by area and average income, here it's almost an inverse correlation - the less-well off kids at school tend to have parents on iPhones and the comfortable parents are on whatever works for t…

> I'm constantly amazed by how people spend so much of their income on Apple products I don't know about other people, but I went iPhone specifically for the value/$. Got a used iPhone SE 2020 for $150 in late 2021, and expect to use it for 5+ years. I seriously doubt that there are any Androids out there that could get even close to that. It really helps that Apple's CPU/SoC is substantially superior to what everyon…

A month ago I paid $299 for a Pixel 7 and then got a $149 back in trade-in for my Pixel 4. Pretty good value.

Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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> >>lack of OEM support > what does this even mean in this context? The OEM doesn't have a store in the mall that will help an elderly family member with it. The OEM stops publishing updates after the phone leaves the shelf. etc. > Most of the other vendors, the few there are, run close to stock Andriod these days. Which is a gigantic pain in the butt when you're trying to talk your mother through the settings menu o…

>>Phones are mass market devices that children, elderly, disabled, and uneducated people use. I really really despise this narrative in modern society where by everyone must lower their standards, expectations, or limit themselves so we can cater to the lowest common denominator of society. This is like saying we need to limit the speed on highways to 20 because some people can not figure out how to drive at 70...

Lower our standards? I look at it in the opposite way. Apple’s accessibility features are the amazing and other manufacturers should raise their standards.

Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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I'm constantly amazed by how people spend so much of their income on Apple products; it's almost like their lives are ruled by the status they feel an iPhone brings (and the consequential sacrificial purchasing). It likely varies by area and average income, here it's almost an inverse correlation - the less-well off kids at school tend to have parents on iPhones and the comfortable parents are on whatever works for t…

iPhones just work. Macs just work. 99% of people don’t want to spend time configuring anything. Both iOS and Android stopped innovating like 5 years ago, but at least the Apple ecosystem doesn’t feel dead like Android.

That's the myth. From personal experience helping iPhone users, they seem to tolerate bad interface and hardware a lot more than other people and blame themselves when they can't get something to work.

Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

#525

In the US, having an Android is one of the biggest social status negative signals I can think of. I used to have an android and when I'd meet people the primary thing they'd remember about me was that I had an android. Their blinders were up after they had that information. I think phones like the Galaxy line might be better than iPhones, but the experience of owning an iPhone far exceeds owning a Galaxy.

My own extended family is literally a cult about this.

But, I’m back to iPhone because I actually need my phone portion to work. Went through 3 androids with constant call issues.

Who cares if there’s a cult. The products are objectively worse if you need to make important phone calls. Couldn’t care about anything else even a tenth as much.

Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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The link should really be to the original report [0]. This 55% is iPhone's share of phone shipments in Q2, not the number of users of the respective phones at any given time. In other words, fewer people are buying smartphones than were before, but Apple saw less of a hit to their numbers than everyone else did. Contrary to existing comments here, this stat doesn't appear to indicate that people are switching from An…

i worked a little in this space in the past. what we learned was that most people don't switch, but if they do, it's overwhelmingly in the android->ios direction and not the other way around (this is in the US). you may see some anecdotal evidence otherwise but on aggregate that was true

I know a couple of people who did that, but they switched from a $200 android to a ~$1000 iphone, and were amused at how much better it is. Users who had flaghship androids rarely switched, because their phones were good too.

Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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post #316

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm constantly amazed by how people spend so much of their income on Apple products; it's almost like their lives are ruled by the status they feel an iPhone brings (and the consequential sacrificial purchasing). It likely varies by area and average income, here it's almost an inverse correlation - the less-well off kids at school tend to have parents on iPhones and the comfortable parents are on whatever works for t…

You make a big assumption that it is all about status or that status is a simple equation. From what I have seen, Android phones appeal to people who want or must spend as little as possible on their phones. It also appeals to people who want to tweak and customize their phones. There is a brand appeal among some of those people to be the anti-Apple. Apple does appeal to some for brand identity. It also seems to appe…

> just take out of the box and use without spending much time in setup and configuration

That's me. I buy Apple because there's already enough hobbies in my life and I don't need my daily driver devices to also be playful area to tinker with. Give me good enough defaults and the least amount of customizability possible please thanks.

Also, anecdotally, my mom who doesn't do English stopped asking me support questions about her devices almost immediately when we switched her from Android to Apple. On Android it was like nothing ever quite worked right and she couldn't at all figure out how to do things.

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Because they're hostile to general purpose computing.

Well, they certainly view phones as appliances, rather than general purpose computers. Personally, I’m fine with that

They view all of their products as appliances rather than general purpose computers.

Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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post #316

The link should really be to the original report [0]. This 55% is iPhone's share of phone shipments in Q2, not the number of users of the respective phones at any given time. In other words, fewer people are buying smartphones than were before, but Apple saw less of a hit to their numbers than everyone else did. Contrary to existing comments here, this stat doesn't appear to indicate that people are switching from An…

I'm constantly amazed by how people spend so much of their income on Apple products; it's almost like their lives are ruled by the status they feel an iPhone brings (and the consequential sacrificial purchasing). It likely varies by area and average income, here it's almost an inverse correlation - the less-well off kids at school tend to have parents on iPhones and the comfortable parents are on whatever works for t…

It may just be that people who have lower income, and are guided by "status" may make worser choices or are can't/don't understand financial implications or maybe they are just doing their best to "peacock" and fit in with what they think is the right tool to achieve their goals?

It's nothing new, you could've said the same thing in the 90's about Sega, Nintendo and Playstation and with Shoes, Clothes, anything -

Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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post #337

The link should really be to the original report [0]. This 55% is iPhone's share of phone shipments in Q2, not the number of users of the respective phones at any given time. In other words, fewer people are buying smartphones than were before, but Apple saw less of a hit to their numbers than everyone else did. Contrary to existing comments here, this stat doesn't appear to indicate that people are switching from An…

i worked a little in this space in the past. what we learned was that most people don't switch, but if they do, it's overwhelmingly in the android->ios direction and not the other way around (this is in the US). you may see some anecdotal evidence otherwise but on aggregate that was true

Yes, I've seen something similar, it's easy to switch from Android and get into Apple's ecosystem, but once in it's difficult to get out.

My brother-in-law would love to switch out, but he feels stuck in Apple's ecosystem because switching now would mean either causing a lot of friction for his family or he'd have to change many devices at once.

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