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US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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Why compare the lower end iPhone to the higher end Android? iPhone 14 Pro: $999 Pixel 7 Pro: $899 iPhone 14: $799 Pixel 7: $599 Pixel 7a: $499

Why did you exclude the iPhone SE?

Because I'm lazy and honestly forgot it existed. It's also over a year old at this point and is considered to be "last gen" along side the iPhone 13).

Can't edit to add it.

Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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Unlocked direct from the manufacturer: https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-iphone/iphone-14 https://www.samsung.com/us/smartphones/galaxy-s23/buy/galaxy...

I meant, which versions are you explicitly comparing and saying are equivalent.

The ones I linked. $799 for the unlocked versions direct from the manufacturer with 128GB of storage. The regular ones not the plus or max ones.

Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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Anecdotal support for you claim: gave my dad and his wife two of my older iPhones to replace their Android phones. They'll never look back now. He told me he assumed the fawning over iPhones was "hype", now says he believes it is not.

You don't, however, mention which Android phones they switched from. Android obviously has a huge variety of different phone manufacturers, and many of them really suck, and many more are just mediocre. I think it would be harder to argue that iPhones are now (or in the past 5 years or so) significantly better than a Samsung or Pixel flagship. I personally own a Pixel and my spouse owns an iPhone, and besides the fam…

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Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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I'm part of this statistic. I've been an Android user my entire adult life, but it really has been a constant downward spiral over these past several years. My previous three phones from LG, Motorola, and Xiaomi all had major software bugs that were never fixed, the biggest being just incredibly poor network connectivity (across multiple carriers, mind you) resulting in at least several calls just not connecting to m…

Yep I get way better service on iPhones. Even with wifi calling. I get 0-2 bars where I live. With my iPhone I don’t even have a tenth of the same reception problems.

Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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The link should really be to the original report [0]. This 55% is iPhone's share of phone shipments in Q2, not the number of users of the respective phones at any given time. In other words, fewer people are buying smartphones than were before, but Apple saw less of a hit to their numbers than everyone else did. Contrary to existing comments here, this stat doesn't appear to indicate that people are switching from An…

I'm constantly amazed by how people spend so much of their income on Apple products; it's almost like their lives are ruled by the status they feel an iPhone brings (and the consequential sacrificial purchasing). It likely varies by area and average income, here it's almost an inverse correlation - the less-well off kids at school tend to have parents on iPhones and the comfortable parents are on whatever works for t…

I push back super hard on the "status" thing for Apple products. I don't understand what status it brings you and who gives you that status.

Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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And the included encryption is beyond useless if it is instantly dropped when sent to a device that doesn’t understand the new protocol. That’s such a huge security vulnerability that it is just security theater to encrypt in the first place. Though I’m sure it has to do something with all those messages going through google’s servers.

That's also true for iMessage? If you actually care about e2ee you'd use Signal.

Actually it’s not true for iMessage. Messages switches to SMS/MMS if the phone doesn’t support iMessage or has it disabled, but if it’s an iMessage it’s an iMessage—encryption and all—and you can see in advance if that is the case.

That said I don’t know what Google’s messenger actually does when it drops the encryption on RCS messages. Is there a visual distinction between encrypted RCS and unencrypted RCS on the sender end if it is just dropping the encryption on the receiving end as a fallback?

Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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post #316

The link should really be to the original report [0]. This 55% is iPhone's share of phone shipments in Q2, not the number of users of the respective phones at any given time. In other words, fewer people are buying smartphones than were before, but Apple saw less of a hit to their numbers than everyone else did. Contrary to existing comments here, this stat doesn't appear to indicate that people are switching from An…

I'm constantly amazed by how people spend so much of their income on Apple products; it's almost like their lives are ruled by the status they feel an iPhone brings (and the consequential sacrificial purchasing). It likely varies by area and average income, here it's almost an inverse correlation - the less-well off kids at school tend to have parents on iPhones and the comfortable parents are on whatever works for t…

> and the comfortable parents are on whatever works for them

So, not necessarily Androids, but whatever they happen to choose? I'm not sure what we're observing, that people just use whatever phone they prefer? Honestly, iPhones aren't a heck of a lot more expensive than a flagship Pixel phone, especially not for a multi-year tech investment. The "iPhones are expensive" propaganda is underinformed. Apple computers on the other hand are way more expensive than the equivalent hardware in the PC ecosystem, however they also hold their value quite well for resale whereas I've found it quite difficult to offload old gaming PCs in the past. Usually people just want the CPU and GPU, if they're not older than about 4 years. The rest of the carcass just gets piled into an ever-growing closet stash of old PC components. If you have a Macbook on the other hand, you'll have a dozen people asking if it's still available every day until you sell it. Even if it's a relic, just with a working battery and hard drive.

My bias in this conversation is that I've owned an iPhone 12 since late 2020 with no signs of needing an upgrade anytime soon. I don't know anybody living in poverty but shoveling all of their money into Apple tech.

Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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You must have gone without security or other OS updates then, which I would consider a deal breaker with a phone. Google only recently extended the Pixel OS support timeline to be on par with Android.

Yes, I don't care about getting updates. If they're important to you, that's fair. But the phones don't suddenly stop working without updates. They're still perfectly fine.

> But the phones don't suddenly stop working without updates. They're still perfectly fine.

Only if "perfectly fine" means filled with security vulnerabilities and open to dozens of working exploits.

Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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post #223

I'm part of this statistic. I've been an Android user my entire adult life, but it really has been a constant downward spiral over these past several years. My previous three phones from LG, Motorola, and Xiaomi all had major software bugs that were never fixed, the biggest being just incredibly poor network connectivity (across multiple carriers, mind you) resulting in at least several calls just not connecting to m…

Same. My last two androids literally didn't work as cell phones -- calls dropped all the time, SMS messages consistently failed to send, etc. I guess now I'm an Apple person, but I didn't choose Apple per se... I just needed a phone that actually worked. And switching platforms is so painful, I'm not going to switch back unless Apple shits the bed as badly as Android did.

Same. I had to make around 300 phone calls for a recent health ordeal by my rough estimates^. I went through 3 androids and settled on used iPhone after learning my lesson. I can’t tell you how frustrating it was to drop calls/not be heard/screen freeze/no ring. A cheap 3 year old iPhone worked so, so much better.

^if you’re on “Obamacare”, which is a godsend, finding a specialist on your own equates to being given an excel sheet with extremely uncurated or simply incorrect listings. Then finding a specialized occupational therapist after surgery, etc, etc.

Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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Yeah, it's true, you can't buy a general purpose computing device from Apple anymore. Apart from the Mac.

What could you buy before, apart from the Mac? Perhaps we need a definition of GPC?

You have to go back a long time, but just the Apple II[1] technically, and maybe the Newton, but both would be less general than a pre-App Store 2007 iPhone because Safari is such a difference maker.

[1]: I, III, Lisa, too, but I mean you get the gist,

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