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Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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Post by sib » Fri, Jul 28, 2023, 8:09 PM UTC

lolinder wrote: post #278

The link should really be to the original report [0]. This 55% is iPhone's share of phone shipments in Q2, not the number of users of the respective phones at any given time. In other words, fewer people are buying smartphones than were before, but Apple saw less of a hit to their numbers than everyone else did. Contrary to existing comments here, this stat doesn't appear to indicate that people are switching from An…

>> This 55% is iPhone's share of phone shipments in Q2, not the number of users of the respective phones at any given time.

That's generally what a "market share" number measures: the share of sales during a period of times.

The number of users of devices would be the "installed base."

Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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Post by matthewfcarlson » Fri, Jul 28, 2023, 8:09 PM UTC

bhewes wrote: post #288

So the real take away is Google is up 48% and everyone else is down with Apple down 5%. Sales have been flat in the USA since 2018 https://www.statista.com/statistics/191985/sales-of-smartpho...

It doesn't exactly seem fair to say Google is up 48% when they went from 2% to 3% of the market. It seems to me that their growth is almost entirely coming from Samsung. The numbers are jumpy enough that I also wonder how much when different phone makers announce their new wares affects the numbers.

Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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Post by TylerE » Fri, Jul 28, 2023, 8:09 PM UTC

zh3 wrote: post #316

lolinder wrote: post #278

The link should really be to the original report [0]. This 55% is iPhone's share of phone shipments in Q2, not the number of users of the respective phones at any given time. In other words, fewer people are buying smartphones than were before, but Apple saw less of a hit to their numbers than everyone else did. Contrary to existing comments here, this stat doesn't appear to indicate that people are switching from An…

I'm constantly amazed by how people spend so much of their income on Apple products; it's almost like their lives are ruled by the status they feel an iPhone brings (and the consequential sacrificial purchasing). It likely varies by area and average income, here it's almost an inverse correlation - the less-well off kids at school tend to have parents on iPhones and the comfortable parents are on whatever works for t…

You’re amazed that people pay a premium price for very premium products that they interact with constantly?

Do you also question why people buy quality shoes or mattresses?

Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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Post by JKCalhoun » Fri, Jul 28, 2023, 8:10 PM UTC

121789 wrote: post #337

lolinder wrote: post #278

The link should really be to the original report [0]. This 55% is iPhone's share of phone shipments in Q2, not the number of users of the respective phones at any given time. In other words, fewer people are buying smartphones than were before, but Apple saw less of a hit to their numbers than everyone else did. Contrary to existing comments here, this stat doesn't appear to indicate that people are switching from An…

i worked a little in this space in the past. what we learned was that most people don't switch, but if they do, it's overwhelmingly in the android->ios direction and not the other way around (this is in the US). you may see some anecdotal evidence otherwise but on aggregate that was true

Anecdotal support for you claim: gave my dad and his wife two of my older iPhones to replace their Android phones. They'll never look back now.

He told me he assumed the fawning over iPhones was "hype", now says he believes it is not.

Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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Post by wilsonnb3 » Fri, Jul 28, 2023, 8:10 PM UTC

AuthorizedCust wrote: post #205

kyriakos wrote: post #103

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Just got an S23U 2 weeks ago. Its an impressive device both hardware and software. I was expecting a lot of bloat but looks like only MS Office apps where Non-Samsung apps pre-installed and I was going to install them myself either way.

The bloat is mainly in two forms: -All the pointless OS customizations. -Samsung-developed apps that do the same thing as extant, better Google apps.

Bloat isn't just things that you don't like. It is not uncommon for a "pointless" Samsung OS customization to make its way into stock/pixel android a few years later, at which time it will receive much praise and be considered revolutionary.

Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Jul 28, 2023, 8:10 PM UTC

inversetelecine wrote: post #310

wilsonnb3 wrote: post #283

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> I think this is a major factor that is driving market share towards iPhone. Few people outside of the tech nerd bubble care about this.

Yes. I'd argue most people hate or are annoyed by updates. "Ugh, another update??" I hear this all the time. Or "X company updated my phone and everything is different, I hate updates!"

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Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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Post by lockhouse » Fri, Jul 28, 2023, 8:10 PM UTC

lazide wrote: post #312

lockhouse wrote: post #259

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What’s mid performance about an iPhone?

Per dollar? Everything. If cost is not considered, nothing much really.

The Samsung Galaxy S23 and iPhone 14 both start at $799.

Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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Post by bitsandboots » Fri, Jul 28, 2023, 8:11 PM UTC

glimshe wrote: post #105

bitsandboots wrote: post #98

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I don't get "Android Auto" and "Android Automotive" They aren't open source, and when they don't work, your car is left with a weird system that can't be substituted. They make it less likely that I'll want to buy a car with them. What's so good about it versus just using bluetooth and a phone mount? Could be crazy, but figure buggy software should be something I can swap out, not integrated into a car many times mor…

Android Auto is able to show your current route/map to the car's screen. Android can do that reasonably successfully, so it's worth the price of admission for this reason alone. This said, there are a few usability annoyances and other failures elsewhere in the overall experience. But this particular feature works pretty well.

I don't understand the value of this. Is it just "big screen=better"? Because, my phone's screen is already bigger than the standalone GPSs of the past, and has voice, so I've never thought that I needed a bigger screen for navigation.

In fact I want less: A few new cars have very slick HUDs on the windshield which are very elegant in their simplicity. A recent BMW rental had this, all without any smartphone integration, and I thought that was really cool! Now, though, that feature has probably been replaced with an android equivalent - A lot of companies are going "Android Automotive", and it sounds like a downgrade.

Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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Post by kube-system » Fri, Jul 28, 2023, 8:11 PM UTC

ok123456 wrote: post #233

mgh2 wrote: post #229

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Curious, why do you "resent" your money going to Apple?

Because they're hostile to general purpose computing.

General purpose computing is a concept that computer scientists appreciate. The vast majority of consumers buy products based on their cost/benefit of their features and overall experience, not ideology of their technical construction.

You won't see too many people who decide to hand wash their dishes because they can't find a dishwasher with an unlocked bootloader. It either satisfactorily washes the dishes or it doesn't. Most people buy phones the same way.

Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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Post by howinteresting » Fri, Jul 28, 2023, 8:11 PM UTC

kaba0 wrote: post #290

martin8412 wrote: post #212

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People are just eating what Google says raw. Apple will just need to implement RCS and everything will be better. Don't worry that the only universally available RCS relay is operated by Google and encryption is a part of a non-standard Google extension. So Google wants Apple to hand all messages over to Google. For fun, Apple should propose to implement RCS but only if Google agrees to use the Apple relay. No chance…

And the included encryption is beyond useless if it is instantly dropped when sent to a device that doesn’t understand the new protocol. That’s such a huge security vulnerability that it is just security theater to encrypt in the first place. Though I’m sure it has to do something with all those messages going through google’s servers.

That's also true for iMessage?

If you actually care about e2ee you'd use Signal.