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Google Med-Palm M: Towards Generalist Biomedical AI

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Re: Google Med-Palm M: Towards Generalist Biomedical AI

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Having spent some time with a hallucinating ChatGPT and having spent some time with doctors during my life, at this point, in my humble opinion, it should be made illegal for a doctor to make a diagnosis without consulting an LLM finetuned with all the medical research and literature available. Ah, but copyright/patents/IP. Well, IP was created to foster production of useful immaterial stuff. If you now want to use i…

you have no idea what you are talking about

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Re: Google Med-Palm M: Towards Generalist Biomedical AI

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I assume you and your wife are not in the US. Stateside, you would need a Business Associate Agreement to send protected health information to a third party.

Not always. It is not necessary to have a BAA to look up diagnosis information using patient data, so long as the data used maintains the patient’s anonymity. For example, a doctor googling your symptoms doesn’t require a BAA with google.

Google's black box ad optimization stuff probably links you with the doctor via your searches for them and then links the doctor's searches about your conditions to you based on your own related searches, or do they have safeguards for this?

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Why? Medical practice is very knowledge intensive, especially general practice. Very prone to human error, have you seen the stats on accidental deaths in hospitals? Excellent high-value use for (future) learning systems which can ingest and apply a large body of knowledge and reason in the face of a huge poorly understood graph of causal factors. No, the last people to be replaced will be those doing unpaid labour,…

It is technically possible today for patients in hospital to have their food delivered by robot, yet most people would have a strong aversion to that idea: the presence of other humans helps us to have the will to get better. I choose my GP based on my ability to trust and empathize with him, not because of his grades in medical school. Medicine is an intrinsically human activity. It may be augmented and improved by…

That's because you have no way to evaluate the efficacy of different GPs. If you knew with certainty there were a superhuman AI that's performing 100x better than human doctors (and costs 100x less), you would absolutely choose the AI doctor over the human one every time. And if you don't, your kids (or grandkids) will.

Re: Google Med-Palm M: Towards Generalist Biomedical AI

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Having spent some time with a hallucinating ChatGPT and having spent some time with doctors during my life, at this point, in my humble opinion, it should be made illegal for a doctor to make a diagnosis without consulting an LLM finetuned with all the medical research and literature available. Ah, but copyright/patents/IP. Well, IP was created to foster production of useful immaterial stuff. If you now want to use i…

This is peak silicon Valley hubris.

Because the parent commenter "spent some time" with ChatGPT and doctors, we should change our entire paradigm of modern medical care carefully refined and honed over 500 years.

Yeah bro, you know better than all of modern medical science because you played around with chat gpt for an afternoon.

Re: Google Med-Palm M: Towards Generalist Biomedical AI

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A couple of years ago I had built a product for health systems in the computer vision space - and ran into the challenge of trying to commercialize it (with no luck). Even if the product/technology is excellent, the regulatory hurdles & red tape make it insanely difficult to get this sort of stuff commercialized in a healthcare context.

What were your gtm learnings

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All being said and done with respect to AI in medicine, Doctors and medical professionals will be the very last people to be replaced. Care (both physical and mental) will be the last bastion of humanity disrupted by AI.

On the contrary, critical scenarios is exactly where tech and AI helps a lot. You'd think Pilot would be the last type of 'vehicle driver' that would be automated. On the contrary, they were the first to adopt almost 100% self-driving. > mental We are finding curious things like 'playing tetris is the most effective way to avoid trauma'. Doctors will help in lab and diagnostic work, but the inference of what solution…

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Re: Google Med-Palm M: Towards Generalist Biomedical AI

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Having spent some time with a hallucinating ChatGPT and having spent some time with doctors during my life, at this point, in my humble opinion, it should be made illegal for a doctor to make a diagnosis without consulting an LLM finetuned with all the medical research and literature available. Ah, but copyright/patents/IP. Well, IP was created to foster production of useful immaterial stuff. If you now want to use i…

I really wish people would use terms like "unjustified false statement" rather than "hallucination", which connotes perception that doesn't exist.

Or just “random sample conditioned on the prompt.” How did we get to the point where we started calling random samples hallucinations.

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The Google hate crowd is so strange to me. I just don't understand it when Google are probably the best data stewards in the current landscape. I trust Google more than I trust my own government with my data. I guess their support is bad, is that why you're so against them?

On the spectrum of how companies and governments handle private data, they're pretty good actually. Just, the bar is so low you're going to need an archeologist to dig it out; Not hard to far exceed said bar when you can just stand at ground level.

But most fundamentally I am against them because they're an advertising company first and foremost, and if there's one thing I trust them to do is to stay an advertising company. That means that without laws that have actual teeth to prevent misuse of data, they're always just a few decisions away from not being such good stewards of that data.

I'm not singling Google out much here though. My opinion would be the same with Meta, Apple, Microsoft..etc. I don't hate Google, I hate the whole damned system.

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The Google hate crowd is so strange to me. I just don't understand it when Google are probably the best data stewards in the current landscape. I trust Google more than I trust my own government with my data. I guess their support is bad, is that why you're so against them?

On the spectrum of how companies and governments handle private data, they're pretty good actually. Just, the bar is so low you're going to need an archeologist to dig it out; Not hard to far exceed said bar when you can just stand at ground level. But most fundamentally I am against them because they're an advertising company first and foremost, and if there's one thing I trust them to do is to stay an advertising c…

Alright, that's a fair opinion. It's ads all the way down with the large tech companies.

Re: Google Med-Palm M: Towards Generalist Biomedical AI

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I assume you and your wife are not in the US. Stateside, you would need a Business Associate Agreement to send protected health information to a third party.

Not always. It is not necessary to have a BAA to look up diagnosis information using patient data, so long as the data used maintains the patient’s anonymity. For example, a doctor googling your symptoms doesn’t require a BAA with google.

If you properly deidentify the patient information, then yes, you are not sending PHI to Google. Proper deidentification is tricky though: https://www.hhs.gov/hipaa/for-professionals/privacy/special-...
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