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Stack Overflow's CEO Doesn't Understand Stack Overflow

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Re: Stack Overflow's CEO Doesn't Understand Stack Overflow

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Post by tracker1 »

Qem wrote: post #193
throwawaymobule wrote: post #184

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There's a lot of nuance to how SO and other sites they run work. Turning programmer focused FAQs into a collaborative site was the route it kind of had to take. Reading through the joelonsoftware blog was kind of eyeopening, since I didn't know he was one of its creators.

Yet, now that stackoverflow is becoming increasingly hostile to their contributors, I think it would be a good moment to the Wikimedia folks to venture in this area.

I take it you haven't had to deal with many mods on Wikipedia.

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Post by tracker1 »

donatj wrote: post #170
rahidz wrote: post #93

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Why is this so common with tech companies? I'm not an economist by any means, but I never hear of McDonald's, Honda, Home Depot, etc. etc. pulling these kinds of stunts. They're perfectly happy being large companies that pull a constant year-over-year profit. Meanwhile tech companies seem to deliberately have a lifespan of years, not decades, with rugpulls like this being accepted as the norm.

McDonald’s is an interesting company to mention. McDonalds corporate isn’t even really in the fast food business, they’re a real estate company. Franchisees have to rent land from corporate, that’s how they make almost all their money. Individual McDonald’s Restaurants are barely profitable, most stores bringing in less than $100k profit per year. For how widespread they are, the restaurants themselves really aren’t…

Not only that, but their Board seems to make much of their money on adjacent business as well (such as required equipment).

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Post by scarface_74 »

teh_klev wrote: post #230
scarface_74 wrote: post #187

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I work in cloud consulting and I had a project where I needed to create a CI/CD proof of concept for the customer to use that involved deploying a Docker container to ECS (AWS’s Docker orchestrator) and show how they could integrate automated testing with the pipeline. They use Java - a language I literally haven’t used since maybe a year after it was introduced. I used ChatGPT to create the source code for the sampl…

> But it was still faster than trolling the internet. I'm guessing you mean trawling the internet rather than trying to upset and annoy the internet:)

Even though the sibling comment said I was technically not wrong, I think “trawling” is the better term.

And I assume trawling vs trolling is one of those things that you feel the urge to point out just like I hate when someone says “jive” instead of “jibe”.

That last sentence was not meant to be passive aggressive at all. It was just an observation.

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Post by geysersam »

chasd00 wrote: post #169
geysersam wrote: post #121

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Then we should not depend on people making the right choice. We should limit the opportunities people have to choose between "more for me" and "do something useful for society". One idea here is more progressive taxation.

> We should limit the opportunities people have Riiight. See you at the voting booth.

Opposite. We should empower people by having a system where you don't become homeless because of random medical expenses.

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Post by alwaysbeconsing »

welshwelsh wrote: post #199
Dah00n wrote: post #38

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I wouldn't use it if it means AI will be trained on my code unless they pay me per answer or vote. I already removed everything from GitHub etc. AI on SO smells like how Google's business strategy is advertising first, search second. SO will be in the same position soon.

I don't understand this attitude. If your code is used to train AI, then it would be used to help more people in a wider variety of contexts. So assuming that your goal is to help people (which I assume it is since SO doesn't pay for answers), wouldn't you be excited about AI learning from you?

Current manifestations of AI help don't include attribution of sources. That's also an important component of participation on SO (and Github).

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Post by jncfhnb »

camillomiller wrote: post #243
theironhammer wrote: post #238

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It's essentially killed the German economy. It's all by design. The Americans don't want Germany and Russia teaming up to be a Regional Hegemon of Eurasia. Also now America can supply Germany with Gas. Is all by design. American Hegemony.

It has not. Germany is in technical recession, but people are not dying in the streets, have jobs, and can take care of their families. In the US the economy is stellar, yet homelessness is peaking, with people unable to afford housing even if they have a job. Stop calling it “the economy” as if it was a direct translation of the reality of a society. It’s not. Signed: a business journalist.

The parent there is spouting utter nonsense.

But I think your analysis is poor. The homeless rate is higher in Germany than the US for example. Germany isn’t on fire, but I think it’s awkward to color it in a way that implies people are doing better there than the US. It will be a painful economic transition.

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Post by int_19h »

bloopernova wrote: post #208
awb wrote: post #186

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> If I were the semi benevolent dictator of the world, I'd make a law that said: all middle managers up to the CEO must spend 20% of their time doing entry level work in the company. Maybe try this rule in your own company first. If it’s an improvement over the current system you’ll have a competitive advantage. If it doesn’t work, then you wouldn’t have been benevolent. > the richest people are the furthest out of t…

I like both those ideas! Especially the 2nd one. Linking CEO compensation to FTE pay feels like a good way to remind the powerful that their power derives from the consent of their employees. Plus I'm very against the massive inequality that has skyrocketed in the past few decades. I just wish there was a way to get the powerful to understand that it's not a one way relationship. The 2 parts, FTEs and executives, bot…

Why not just require all large companies to be employee-owned co-ops? That's the only way you truly make it so that "their power derives from the consent of their employees".

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Post by palata »

layer8 wrote: post #53
rpastuszak wrote: post #42

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I would imagine this gets progressively harder the bigger you get.

Thus why one should rather prefer slow growth. Fast growth only means you’ll be more likely to reach the shitty state faster.

But slow growth brings less money to top management, and top management decides if they want to go for slow or fast growth, right?

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Post by int_19h »

jl6 wrote: post #148
p4bl0 wrote: post #89

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> relinquishing ownership of any successful company to the government Why the government? Why not collective ownership by workers, and maybe partly to users in applicable cases? Also, why would the existence of such big companies be an absolute necessity in the first place?

To your second paragraph… Big orgs (regardless of public or private) can exploit economies of scale, which makes cheap products possible and available to the masses. Big orgs have big org problems that small orgs don’t (HR, Legal, Architecture, …), so they need specialist senior leaders who spend their days doing things that rank-and-file staff don’t understand, and usually don’t even know need to be done. HN loves t…

Economies of scale matter less in industries where the most important factor in the cost of the product is labor, which is the case for software engineering. Unless, of course, you're implying that big orgs can cut costs by driving wages down.

And the problem with large corporate boards isn't that they're idiots - it's that they're dominated by sociopaths. They aren't paying their execs for nothing - they're paying their execs to screw over their employees and their customers most effectively - which is, indeed, a real job that does need real skills.

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Post by PawgerZ »

Bayart wrote: post #198
pragmatic wrote: post #163

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I would love for this to be true. Europeans do seem to enjoy a higher quality of life among several axis. However the US subsidizes European defense (refer to current events) allowing European countries to spend less GDP on their military. Talent comes to the US from all over the world. That's how it works and has since almost the beginning of the country. Easier access to capital (and easy bankruptcy, etc), entrepre…

The US isn't so much subsidizing defense as it is exporting safety . And it's making bank on it.

And exporting a little teror in the background to make more moeny on their exported safety.
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