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This month is the planet’s hottest on record by far – and hottest in 120k years

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Re: This month is the planet’s hottest on record by far – and hottest in 120k years

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Climate change affects both variance and mean of the weather. Which means both colder and hotter weather, and worse large scale events.

How?

Not the GP, but as I understand it: the more energy in the system, the greater the extremes.

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And people think that ground can be owned now

Many animals 'think' it too. Grizzly bears come to mind.

There's a key difference; territorial animals are owner-occupiers. If a bear loses a territorial fight, it dies or moves. It doesn't call in the forest police. Also, bears want to keep other bears out. They don't much care about smaller animals, or try to restructure the entire landscape in the name of bear commerce.

Re: This month is the planet’s hottest on record by far – and hottest in 120k years

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The climate always changes. Always has & always will. No political movement, economic paradigm, or technology will make the climate static. The geomagnetic field fluctuations, Sun, the solar system's current cosmological coordinates, cosmological effects are too big of a driver of the climate. Geologically speaking, we have just left a mini-ice age. Our efforts are better invested in adjusting to these inevitable cha…

Who cares? if everyone dies and you say "well it always changes" the answer is still "...and we could have done something about it and we didn't do enough." It has no bearing if it changed in the past if we can do something about it not killing most (non-rich) people in the future. Well it was one bearing if it was like this in the past: it gives people a convenient argument for dismissing it now. So if your goal is…

> Who cares? if everyone dies and you say "well it always changes" the answer is still "...and we could have done something about it and we didn't do enough."

I don't take a nihlist approach. I take a realistic approach. The changes will occur. What will we do about it? Go into a delusion that we can stop the change or take steps to prepare?

> Well it was one bearing if it was like this in the past: it gives people a convenient argument for dismissing it now

I'm not dismissing it. I'm saying it IS HAPPENING & nothing we do will stop it. So what are we going to do? Sacrifice to the gods to stop the inevitable? Good luck with that...

I would prefer to mitigate these changes by hardening our infrastructure, utilize tech & social systems to improve quality of life, and address pollution like the toxic sludge byproduct to mine materials for your "renewable" equipment.

Re: This month is the planet’s hottest on record by far – and hottest in 120k years

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The climate always changes. Always has & always will. No political movement, economic paradigm, or technology will make the climate static. The geomagnetic field fluctuations, Sun, the solar system's current cosmological coordinates, cosmological effects are too big of a driver of the climate. Geologically speaking, we have just left a mini-ice age. Our efforts are better invested in adjusting to these inevitable cha…

Who cares? if everyone dies and you say "well it always changes" the answer is still "...and we could have done something about it and we didn't do enough." It has no bearing if it changed in the past if we can do something about it not killing most (non-rich) people in the future. Well it was one bearing if it was like this in the past: it gives people a convenient argument for dismissing it now. So if your goal is…

That wasn't their point at all.

The question always is if we can even do something about the climate now or if we should spend the energy and resources into preparing for a potentially inevitable future.

Humans have always been champions of handling change. Why should this be different?

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Ok, so what's the actionable take here? Are people going to use this to try and push wealth redistribution and authoritarian controls which is about the only thing I've ever seen from "climate action" types? Or does this imply those wouldn't work anyway now? Is anyone or any government going to look at actual motivations to help live in a warmer place? And/or to pull carbon out of the air, or get more nuclear, or wha…

> It's going to be hard to get people to care about this if the takeaway is going to be "other people have to do what we say"

The poor collectively decide they want clean air and the rich shriek "stop telling other people what to do!" Then the rich turn around and say "stay off my land, and don't you dare occupy my 3rd vacation home even though it's empty right now!"

The point I'm trying to make here is that telling other people what to do is foundational to many of our most basic rights. Do not kill people, do not trespass on other people's property, do not copy my copyrighted works, do not infringe my patents, etc. These things are so basic they are taken for granted and overlooked. Notably, they benefit those who already have wealth. But then, if the poor say "do not destroy the air" or something like that, suddenly the wealthy are concerned about telling other people what to do.

Re: This month is the planet’s hottest on record by far – and hottest in 120k years

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Scientists use tree rings, coral reefs and deep sea sediment cores to measure historical temperature from a long time ago. These methods are based on the principle that the growth and chemistry of these natural archives reflect the environmental conditions that they experienced. Tree rings show the annual variations in temperature and precipitation on land. Coral reefs show the sea surface temperature and salinity in…

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Mathematical models with curated inputs & ever changing factors are not extraordinary evidence.

What I find extraordinary is that you can in good faith (which seems a little questionable tbh) say that the absolutely incredible amount of sophisticated evidence that scientists have developed in the last 100 years to repeatedly affirm that humans are dramatically altering the climate with fossil fuel use is NOT extraordinary. The technology and mathematics behind climate science are absolutely incredible and you must be numb to the world if you think otherwise.

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There were no nation-states at that time either. It's going to be a meatgrinder this time around.

Several nation-states will be huge beneficiaries of a hotter world. Russia's tundra becomes arable land, and their fossil fuels become more accessible. Their navy will be able to freely roam the seas when the polar ice caps melt. Canada will receive the same benefits - enormous access to fresh water, ease of navigation, and agriculturally ideal conditions. Greenland will have an increasingly large stake in geopolitic…

Certain cities on the SF peninsula like Daly City with their "natural air conditioning" might become the most expensive real estate in the world.

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it's the agnostic, post-Christian rapture, complete with agnostic, post-Christian original sin, agnostic, post-Christian dogmatic orthodoxy, and agnostic, post-Christian heresies. it's even got an agnostic, post-Christian priest class that wear agnostic, post-Christian vestments while doing agnostic, post-Christian holy work. the only thing missing is agnostic, post-Christian salvation …

The metaphor would be more profound if you could also apply it to a McDonalds. :-)

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