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This month is the planet’s hottest on record by far – and hottest in 120k years

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Re: This month is the planet’s hottest on record by far – and hottest in 120k years

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Post by pixelpoet »

14u2c wrote: post #7
gottorf wrote: post #2

At least in Europe, an order of magnitude (or two, depending on country) more people die from the cold than from the heat[0]. Going by the numbers, if green energy policy keeps summer temperatures down but makes energy more expensive[1], it will kill more people. [0]: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanplh/article/PIIS2542-5... [1]: https://news.climate.columbia.edu/2021/10/26/lets-come-clean...

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If internet discussion is demographically and geographically skewed, I promise you it's not towards Europe... try being a non-American on the internet someday, while people are speaking about miles and states and seasons etc.

Re: This month is the planet’s hottest on record by far – and hottest in 120k years

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Post by mdgrech23 »

gottorf wrote: post #2

At least in Europe, an order of magnitude (or two, depending on country) more people die from the cold than from the heat[0]. Going by the numbers, if green energy policy keeps summer temperatures down but makes energy more expensive[1], it will kill more people. [0]: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanplh/article/PIIS2542-5... [1]: https://news.climate.columbia.edu/2021/10/26/lets-come-clean...

The amount of ignorance in this comment is baffling.

Re: This month is the planet’s hottest on record by far – and hottest in 120k years

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Post by SideburnsOfDoom »

14u2c wrote: post #7
gottorf wrote: post #2

At least in Europe, an order of magnitude (or two, depending on country) more people die from the cold than from the heat[0]. Going by the numbers, if green energy policy keeps summer temperatures down but makes energy more expensive[1], it will kill more people. [0]: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanplh/article/PIIS2542-5... [1]: https://news.climate.columbia.edu/2021/10/26/lets-come-clean...

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> Temperatures in Europe have increased at more than twice the global average over the past 30 years – the highest of any continent in the world.

https://public.wmo.int/en/media/press-release/temperatures-e...

And since, then https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/wildfires-greece-burn-f...

So, no, Europe is not least affected or best off.

Re: This month is the planet’s hottest on record by far – and hottest in 120k years

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Post by briantakita »

There were no precise instruments 120k years ago. The historical record used is a hodge podge of proxy data. Much modern temperature data was US centric. Also, there is controversy over the placement of temperature stations (e.g. on an urban heat island, next to an airport, near exhaust vents). Factors were added to temperature modesl (there were higher apples to apples temperature readings in the 1930s). Many regions have record cold temperatures as well.

I have doubts over the OP claim. It sounds like sensationalism. Review & time will be needed to verify the claim.

Re: This month is the planet’s hottest on record by far – and hottest in 120k years

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Post by vaylian »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #15
crypot wrote: post #12

There were no ice caps when primates evolved. I am excited to go back to the climate of my ancestors.

It's the rate of change which matters, much less so than the magnitude of the change.

This. The time for nature and us humans to adapt to these new circumstances is vastly shorter than in any earlier age of the planet.

edit: bryanlarsen pointed out that there was an even more extreme event in earth's history.

Re: This month is the planet’s hottest on record by far – and hottest in 120k years

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Post by bryanlarsen »

gottorf wrote: post #2

At least in Europe, an order of magnitude (or two, depending on country) more people die from the cold than from the heat[0]. Going by the numbers, if green energy policy keeps summer temperatures down but makes energy more expensive[1], it will kill more people. [0]: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanplh/article/PIIS2542-5... [1]: https://news.climate.columbia.edu/2021/10/26/lets-come-clean...

Green energy policy in Europe has people replacing gas heat with heat pumps. And since heat pumps are also air conditioning, many European homes are getting air conditioning for the first time.

One of those rare "have your cake and eat it too" moments.

Re: This month is the planet’s hottest on record by far – and hottest in 120k years

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Post by briantakita »

BatFastard wrote: post #5
gottorf wrote: post #2

At least in Europe, an order of magnitude (or two, depending on country) more people die from the cold than from the heat[0]. Going by the numbers, if green energy policy keeps summer temperatures down but makes energy more expensive[1], it will kill more people. [0]: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanplh/article/PIIS2542-5... [1]: https://news.climate.columbia.edu/2021/10/26/lets-come-clean...

Keep in mind global warming also makes winters colder.

Does global warming cause summer hail storms & record cold temperatures in large regions as well?
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