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Google Med-Palm M: Towards Generalist Biomedical AI

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Re: Google Med-Palm M: Towards Generalist Biomedical AI

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

My impression of what's holding back improvements to CV and ML for medical images is that close to none of the research in the field will ever be put into practice. There's a huge amount of research done and then the companies actually producing the software used by technicians and doctors choose a tiny number of things to pick up, incorporate, test, get certified, and it takes years. People working in the field have…

I work in this field - IMO, your assessment is correct insofar as the absolute need for commercialization of research done. However, we haven't gotten to the super-human performance for medical images yet. We don't even have the ImageNet-equivalent, nor do we have any open source (or just source & weight available) models that Google and other big corp claim to be so wonderful. Most of people in the field, rightly so…

> "we haven't gotten to the super-human performance for medical images yet."

I guess that at least in France, most people living elsewhere than large towns do not need that.

What they need (IMO) is competent radiologists in a time of medical deserts.

Because even when there is staff, this staff do not spent enough time analyzing images while being quite expensive. Their main goal is to make money quickly.

Re: Google Med-Palm M: Towards Generalist Biomedical AI

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From the abstract: > Generalist biomedical artificial intelligence (AI) systems that flexibly encode, integrate, and interpret this data at scale can potentially enable impactful applications ranging from scientific discovery to care delivery. The problem with AI models is it may bring us medical innovations that are actually harmful to humanity, such as increased lifespans, which in turn will drive further overpopul…

Too bad there are already millions of people working in medicine. Over the past 200 years they have consistently added about 3 months to average lifespan every year. It's too late doomer!!

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All being said and done with respect to AI in medicine, Doctors and medical professionals will be the very last people to be replaced. Care (both physical and mental) will be the last bastion of humanity disrupted by AI.

Why? Medical practice is very knowledge intensive, especially general practice. Very prone to human error, have you seen the stats on accidental deaths in hospitals? Excellent high-value use for (future) learning systems which can ingest and apply a large body of knowledge and reason in the face of a huge poorly understood graph of causal factors. No, the last people to be replaced will be those doing unpaid labour,…

I hope I never have to live in a world where I have to convince a united healthcare chat bot that I need pain medicine.

Re: Google Med-Palm M: Towards Generalist Biomedical AI

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I won't take any of this seriously until they make their model and weights available. This type of PR research is what is really holding back AI for medical images.

My impression of what's holding back improvements to CV and ML for medical images is that close to none of the research in the field will ever be put into practice. There's a huge amount of research done and then the companies actually producing the software used by technicians and doctors choose a tiny number of things to pick up, incorporate, test, get certified, and it takes years. People working in the field have…

I wonder if these models can be utilized by poorer, under-served communities?

It could be a kind of force-multiplier for the few health professionals they have on hand.

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