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Former intel officer says 'non-human biologics’ found at alleged UFO crash sites

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Re: Former intel officer says 'non-human biologics’ found at alleged UFO crash sites

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Post by _kbh_ »

LapsangGuzzler wrote: post #125
ryanSrich wrote: post #122

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That proves nothing though. US Government data is so siloed it’s possible Snowden would not have access to UFO info even if he had access to essentially everything the NSA had access to.

> US Government data is so siloed The classified stuff wasn’t really that siloed. He had access to everything CIA, DIA, NSA, etc. He talked about this in his book. Searching for evidence of aliens was one of the first things he did when he got access.

> The classified stuff wasn’t really that siloed. He had access to everything CIA, DIA, NSA, etc. He talked about this in his book. Searching for evidence of aliens was one of the first things he did when he got access.

Not to be pedantic but this isn't entirely true. There is a set of what the NSA call "core secrets" that were never leaked, these were all classified at ECI.

https://robert.sesek.com/2014/10/nsa_s_eci_compartments.html

The best we got what was a list of digraphs, codenames and vague descriptions, you can actually workout that at least one them is likely Crypto AG (HISTORY / HST).

Re: Former intel officer says 'non-human biologics’ found at alleged UFO crash sites

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Post by _kbh_ »

LapsangGuzzler wrote: post #167
nvy wrote: post #151

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Didn't he have a special PRIVACC designation that allowed him to bypass traditional "need to know" silo boundaries, under the auspices of being a sysadmin or whatever?

He leaked documents from British and Australian intelligence according to his wiki page, so he obviously had broad access. I’m paraphrasing, but he’s specifically talked in interviews that he had access to almost everything.

> He leaked documents from British and Australian intelligence according to his wiki page, so he obviously had broad access. I’m paraphrasing, but he’s specifically talked in interviews that he had access to almost everything.

Whilst this is true, he leaked only one document related to Australian intelligence, so if there was a lot of sharing between the two then Snowden clearly didn't have access to a lot of it.

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Post by Timon3 »

simmerup wrote: post #456
Timon3 wrote: post #450

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The universe potentially getting really old doesn't make it more likely for us to be the first. It is incredibly unlikely.

We don't need to be the first, we just need to be the first to survive and figure out some practical method of space travel. Space travel may even prove to be impossible for us.

"We don't need to be the first" to do what? We do need to be the first to be the first. If we're not the first, we're not the first, even if we figure out space travel.

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Post by MrYellowP »

throwbadubadu wrote: post #455
wildermuthn wrote: post #377

I’m a huge skeptic, but I’ve been following this very closely over the past few months. Fermi’s paradox has two good answers — we don’t see aliens because they don’t exist, or we don’t see them because they are here already. They should be here already. The paradox is about why we don’t see them. Being skeptical is different than doubt-by-default. A skeptic is curious and slow to judge. So with great curiosity, I’ve…

> we don’t see aliens because they don’t exist, or we don’t see them because they are here already imo most likely is they exist, but space is just so unimaginable huge, and also Aliens can at most go close to lightspeed. They didn't beat physics nor invented portals / wormholes? > They should be here already. Least likely for me out of the three options.. just our tinfoil hat love :)

> and also Aliens can at most go close to lightspeed.

You're an expert in alien technology and civilizations far more technologically advanced than we are?

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Post by MrYellowP »

DropInIn wrote: post #461
kromem wrote: post #430

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I don't get why no one ever throws out time travel as an explanation over extraterrestrial. Given the limit of the speed of information and the expansion of the universe, there's a VERY small area that would even be aware of the signals we've started sending out over the past century to come looking. But Earth would be an extremely interesting destination....for future Earth. Though personally the most likely answer…

If you travel "back in time" you don't enter your own timeline but another universe where you were Always going to appear. Time travel (backwards) is not possible, only inter-universe travel. What has happened has always happened and will always have happened.

Finally I found an expert in time travel technology!

Please tell us more about it!

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Post by ChainOfFools »

cowboysauce wrote: post #451
Reubend wrote: post #433

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Your logic is based on the assumption that those alien crafts were intending to come to Earth. Perhaps they were intending to go somewhere else, and crashed into Earth mistakenly? Then the volume of total flights could be much larger, and the proportion of crashes could be much smaller.

So instead of thousands of craft flying daily over the US, there are potentially millions commuting past Earth? And those crashes still happen despite an abundance of help nearby?

I can't quite put my finger on why, but somehow these exchanges with fringe theorists strongly remind me of one-sided versions of those "who would win" arguments that people have between Star Trek technology versus Star Wars. The real objective seems to be to show off one's ability to creatively avoid being pinned down by argument from scientific knowledge while affecting that one's own claims are grounded in it.

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Post by Timon3 »

ChainOfFools wrote: post #466
Timon3 wrote: post #450

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The universe potentially getting really old doesn't make it more likely for us to be the first. It is incredibly unlikely.

I don't follow your reasoning at all. Unless intelligent life appeared everywhere in the universe spontaneously at the same instant, which seems rather unlikely, then someone has to be first. If the universe has, on the scale of potentially uncountable trillions of years, just barely reached a stage where the probability of life appearing has risen above "infinitely small" then there's nothing chauvinistic or anthrop…

> Unless intelligent life appeared everywhere in the universe spontaneously at the same instant, which seems rather unlikely, then someone has to be first.

Yes, and for any given species, it is incredibly unlikely they are the first.

> If the universe has, on the scale of potentially uncountable trillions of years, just barely reached a stage where the probability of life appearing has risen above "infinitely small" then there's nothing chauvinistic or anthropocentric about speculating that we're it.

That is a humongous if that you have to prove, and it still would mean that it's very unlikely we are the first.

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Post by nmeagent »

qingcharles wrote: post #343
h2odragon wrote: post #335

For those asking "Why now?" ... here's a couple wild takes: The Interstellar Squid have arrived. They're hanging out around Saturn (cf "largest comet ever"). Even after a century of preparation and propaganda, there is a large fraction of humanity who refuses to conceive of intelligence other than human. This is the last gasp at preparing them. That, or the political corruption has gotten so rank that they're scrapin…

Well, have you ever tried navigating interstellar space? It's not exactly a walk in the park. Even for our sophisticated cephalopod friends, the Interstellar Squid, it's a bit of a pickle. Oh, and let's not forget about the Squid's notoriously poor sense of direction. They've probably been circling Saturn for the past decade thinking it's Jupiter. I wouldn't be surprised if they show up in a few millennia, asking for…

If their presence is revealed and approximately simultaneously we develop some new fantastically high Isp rocket-engine technology, I for one am going to start to wonder if this is evidence of some kind of squid pro quo.
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