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Superconductor news: What’s claimed, and how strong the evidence seems to be

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Re: Superconductor news: What’s claimed, and how strong the evidence seems to be

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I’ve never understood how this battle could possibly persist, considering that planes can fly upside-down . The fact that Bernoulli’s Principle creates a low-pressure zone on the top of the aerofoil just gives you laminar flow at higher angles of attack. It really isn’t that mysterious, unless you insist that only a single physical law is allowed to come into play.

> I’ve never understood how this battle could possibly persist, considering that planes can fly upside-down. That's orthogonal. Planes flying upside down still have air flowing faster over the new "top" of the wing than the bottom. Though, a common misunderstanding is that air must be taking the same "time" to go over the top and the bottom. This is not true. You can build a pretty good mental model of flight with ei…

> You can build a pretty good mental model of flight with either simplified mechanism, but you end up underestimating performance by a fair bit.

I've never hear of a good mental model built on Bernoulli's Principle. They are either:

- Wrong

- Give no intuition

The key question is /why/ air moves faster on one side, and once you get away from the misconception of same time, I've never heard an intuitive argument.

Redirecting air down:

- makes complete sense

- can be demonstrated by sticking your hand out the window of a car

- works with flat airfoils (sails, kites, etc.), and explains those well too

And the shape of the wing comes in from wanting the leading edge parallel to incoming airflow, and the other edge parallel to outgoing airflow. On a sail, I can adjust the shape. On a steel wing, I can't much, so I make a shape which works across different angles of attack.

All of the other mechanisms, you can gradually work in from there to get accurate models. Toss in air moving to the low-pressure area, and having momentum, and you get why helicopters are less efficient than planes, as well as vortex shedding. It all builds up.

As a corollary, Bernoulli tells you where air moves faster, but that follows from lift. Not the other way around. At least in any model which fits the human brain.

Re: Superconductor news: What’s claimed, and how strong the evidence seems to be

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I see a few comments saying this can also be used to "solve" climate change, but I am trying to understand the how. Do people mean that the world will have less carbon footprint overall because everything will be much more efficient?

Even if we replaced all fossil fuels overnight we still wouldn't have "solved" climate change--the damage we have done is locked in for the long term. We need active mitigation to restore Arctic ice, de-acidify the oceans, save coral reefs, bring back old weather patterns, etc.

Re: Superconductor news: What’s claimed, and how strong the evidence seems to be

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Oooh fresh Derek Lowe, awesome

Enough of all the UFO nonsense, this is what matters for the future

> If these data reproduce, the superconductivity of this material seems beyond doubt.

> Another welcome feature is that their procedure for preparing LK-99 seems quite straightforward. You can bet that furnaces in solid-state materials labs around the world have been cooking yesterday and today to try to reproduce its synthesis and the properties, and we should be hearing about the results of these experiments very soon.

Re: Superconductor news: What’s claimed, and how strong the evidence seems to be

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I’m reminded of the paper, just over 10 years ago, that reporting measuring neutrinos travelling faster than the speed of light. When published, the authors made it clear: this is probably wrong, but we can’t see where we made a mistake … so what if we’re right and just upended relativity theory? That was turned out to be a measuring error [1]. This one may be the same, though the lead authors publishing two versions…

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Re: Superconductor news: What’s claimed, and how strong the evidence seems to be

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I don't think the actual proposed superconductivity mechanism is the relevant part of this paper. It is much easier to prove that this is superconducting than to prove why. And in a sense it is a bit less relevant. Although developing a working theory for room temperature is also probably worth a Nobel prize, so I am willing to bet some theorists are also running to their blackboards as we speak.

They made a synthetic a priori prediction proven by experiment. In science, that's the strongest type of claim.

You might also say it's the only type of claim science recognizes. Though, whatever or how strong a claim is, the question is how important is what is proven and will it lead to real superconductive materials.

Re: Superconductor news: What’s claimed, and how strong the evidence seems to be

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This is an extremely useful summarization of the original paper. > The authors believe that the modified/strained structure of their material creates a large number of “quantum wells” between particular lead atoms and the adjacent oxygens of the phosphate groups bound to them, in effect making a two-dimensional “electron gas”. They propose that electron tunneling between these quantum wells, which are between 3.7 and…

I want ONE breakthrough like this in my lifetime. Something completely game changing.

Re: Superconductor news: What’s claimed, and how strong the evidence seems to be

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Nah. We have a reasonable understanding of fluids. It's just that the two things we say as simple explanations (the plane pushes air downwards causing an equal and opposite reaction to push the plane up; faster flow on top of the wing "sucks the plane upwards") are both only partial truths. Sometimes you get arguments between partisans for each of these two simplified explanations, but really both are bogus.

In the Vsauce video "Do Chairs Exist?" (I highly recommend it!), Michael talks about the concept of vagueness and how defining boundaries can lead to paradoxes. While it was primarily dealing with an ontological perspective, the linguistic perspective of a particular line has always stood out to me. Perhaps it makes a bit more sense in context of the full 40-minute video, but it is:

>"Composites are causally redundant. Believing in chairs is like believing that, while yes, the burning gas from my stove completely describes why the water in a pot boils, there’s ALSO a magical invisible substance called boil-o that comes out of my stove that does the same thing as the flame at the same time, and if there was no boil-o, the flame would warm the water just the same, but there IS boil-o... Chairs are no more real than boil-o. Composites over-determine what happens in the world."

Like your example with lift and fluid dynamics, simple explanations like "plane pushes air downwards" or "faster flow sucks the plane upwards" might be insufficient, but they're at least useful to the layman. It also reminds me of how Richard Feynman answered the question, "What is the feeling between 2 attracted magnets?" by explaining that it would be impossible to give a complete answer. Feynman pointed out that when you ask why two magnets attract each other, there are different levels of understanding depending on your background knowledge. For someone with no knowledge of physics, the simple explanation would be the existence of a magnetic force causing the attraction. However, delving deeper into the question raises complexities that can be challenging to explain.

Feynman highlighted the difficulty of answering "why" questions in general. Explaining magnetic attraction in terms of something else that we are more familiar with, like rubber bands, would be misleading and circular, as it ultimately comes down to electrical and magnetic forces. He acknowledged that some aspects of the natural world may need to be accepted as fundamental elements without a more profound explanation.

This is echoed in the Vsauce video, where defining boundaries and attempting to explain everything can lead to paradoxes and vagueness. The concept of "boil-o" illustrates how composites, like chairs, can over-determine what happens in the world and our own perception, making their actual explanation even more elusive.

Re: Superconductor news: What’s claimed, and how strong the evidence seems to be

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One interesting thing I saw pointed out on twitter: both of the published papers have "Lee" and "JH Kim" as the first two authors (LK-99 material namesake).

The first paper was published by YW Kwon with himself as the third author. The second paper was published a few hours later by Hyun-Tak Kim with himself as the third author. As others have pointed out there can only be 3 names on the ticket for a nobel prize.

To me this might indicate that they all think the result is potentially nobel-worthy, and also that the papers may not be as complete / rigorous as they should have been due to this drama / race to publish (YW Kwon published without permission to get his name out there, forcing Hyun-Tak to push his out a few hours later)

Re: Superconductor news: What’s claimed, and how strong the evidence seems to be

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Raise your hand if you contacted Aldritch about the two pre-cursor materials :-) This is an excellent summary and like Derek I have high hopes (but low expectations) that by the end of this week we'll see some tentative confirmation. This stuff isn't particularly hard (or expensive!) to make so that should really make for interesting news and some very fun products if it is proven out.

Don’t waste your time, it’ll be disproved 10 times before your reactants get delivered.

By whom, if no one orders the ingredients to run the tests?

Re: Superconductor news: What’s claimed, and how strong the evidence seems to be

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Superdiamagnetism occurs primarily in superconductors. Reminder that flux-pinned levitation only occurs when superconductors are cooled from above to below their critical temperature while in a local magnetic field. The researchers probably didn’t heat up their big sample above the critical temperature in air as that could have mechanically destroyed it. It was already chipped almost in two.

> Reminder that flux-pinned levitation only occurs when superconductors are cooled from above to below their critical temperature while in a local magnetic field. Casual demonstrations of levitating superconductors involve first submerging the superconducting material in a (non-magnetized) tub of LN2, and then moving it onto a magnetic track. For example, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5EoUD-BIss

That’s true, surprising to hear that the YBCO SC in that video is only 30um think.
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