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Sinead O’Connor has died

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Post by dredmorbius »

hprotagonist wrote: post #96

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzxTDHMQza8 To stand in the full blast of a crowd that hates you with that amount of poise, and have a voice that is still capable of song or even coherent speech, just beggars my imagination. i hope you have found peace. you were a voice crying out in the wilderness and we did to you what we always do to that.

Rolling Stone's look back, from 2021:

"Flashback: Sinead O’Connor Gets Booed Offstage at Bob Dylan Anniversary Concert"

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/sinead-o-conno...>

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Post by bluepod4 »

cushychicken wrote: post #181
ogab wrote: post #175

Saw her live in NYC back in 2005 when she was doing roots reggae. Sly & Robbie was the rhythm section, with Burning Spear on vocals and percussion. Maybe Mikey Chung on guitar? I was totally surprised at the combination — this Crazy Baldhead amongst Dreads — but one of the best live shows I've been to. Surrounded by reggae icons, she was a boss on that stage. Big up Sinéad! An incredible musician.

That's a whole shitload of moxie for an Irish lady. Very cool.

Excuse me?

Isn’t the stereotype (and possibly reality) that Irish women are full of moxie and maybe or maybe not respected for it depending on who cares?

Like she experienced IRA bombings and you’re saying she’s supposed to be intimidated by reggae artists who smoke weed and practice non-violence and/or intimidated by their fans who do so?

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Post by linksnapzz »

clipsy wrote: post #233
linksnapzz wrote: post #227

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Were that the case, I’m sure I would’ve gotten fewer downvotes. ;) Just the same though; JP2 would’ve certainly not held the poor woman’s fit of pique against her.

"the poor woman's fit of pique" -- are you defending the Catholic church's history of rampant child abuse, or do you think there is perhaps a less dismissive and condescending way to phrase this?

She wasn't complaining about child abuse (by anyone) onstage at SNL.

She ripped up a photo of a pope, who...hadn't abused any children. It was a cheap and safe provocation, and she got the response she wanted.

The existence of valid and necessary criticisms of Church conduct doesn't oblige me or anyone to match each of them to some dinky justification for (in this case) performative juvenile attention-seeking.

I could be less condescending and dismissive, but that would require me to pretend that a pretty basic taunt was some kind of deep commmentary. IOW, taking the piss.

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Post by listenallyall »

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #139
basisword wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow! The thing that surprised me most about this was it’s a Bob Dylan tribute concert? I’m shocked religion still had such a hold on the kind of people attending that type of concert at that point in time. The volume is insane. Incredible strength to be able to stand and take such abuse and continue to perform.

I think it speaks less to people's religious feelings and more towards the rather apolitical and apathetic alternative music culture at the time. If I recall the atmosphere at the time it was less "how dare she say that about the Pope?!" and more "how dare she co-opt the public stage for controversial/'political' speech?!" I also don't recall the outrage at her SNL performance even being particularly or especially by…

> we're trying to sell/watching a entertainment products here, and now you've just gone and made things intense

I know the enlightened viewpoint is that tearing up the pope's photo was brave and progressive, that Sinead was ahead of her time in recognizing the faults of the Catholic church -- but yes, exactly, she absolutely failed to "read the room."

SNL in the early 90s was one of the best eras, but it was also one of its silliest. Hans and Franz, Wayne's World, Farley, Sandler, Spade. There was absolutely no way, at that time, any kind of serious mid-show protest would gain positive attention. She screwed up, no way around it.

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Post by zeruch »

I still remember the first time I saw her, which was in the video for World Party's "Private Revolution" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLgt934yXUY

When her debut record came out, "Mandinka" was a staple on college radio, but that album barely got into the radio overall. I never really liked "Nothing Compares 2 U" but really loved quite a lot of that sophomore record otherwise.

Besides her debut, her album "Faith and Courage" is still a major highlight.

She was a tortured soul that could transcend herself through amazing talent, but she suffered throughout her life; this was compounded by being a public figure with very little fear and no compunction of speaking her mind. She is finally at peace, however sad it may be to hear.

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Post by zeruch »

ogab wrote: post #175

Saw her live in NYC back in 2005 when she was doing roots reggae. Sly & Robbie was the rhythm section, with Burning Spear on vocals and percussion. Maybe Mikey Chung on guitar? I was totally surprised at the combination — this Crazy Baldhead amongst Dreads — but one of the best live shows I've been to. Surrounded by reggae icons, she was a boss on that stage. Big up Sinéad! An incredible musician.

That was likely due to her collaborations with both Adrian Sherwood/On-U Sound initially, but she was a long time admirer of roots and dubwise. The caribbean influence in UK/Irish pop culture is much stronger than in the US (other than hip hop).

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Post by TedDoesntTalk »

fknorangesite wrote: post #170
osullish wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same in Ireland, some high profile cases were prosecuted- but not the majority, and nothing happened the nuns - especially the evil that ran the mother and baby homes. 300+ babies discarded in a septic tank.

And similarly in Canada as we are finding the unmarked graves of children at the former sites of the Residential "School" system. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Indian_residential_sc... O'Connor was right.

I did not know about this. Thank you for sharing

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Post by clipsy »

linksnapzz wrote: post #243
clipsy wrote: post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"the poor woman's fit of pique" -- are you defending the Catholic church's history of rampant child abuse, or do you think there is perhaps a less dismissive and condescending way to phrase this?

She wasn't complaining about child abuse (by anyone) onstage at SNL. She ripped up a photo of a pope, who...hadn't abused any children. It was a cheap and safe provocation, and she got the response she wanted. The existence of valid and necessary criticisms of Church conduct doesn't oblige me or anyone to match each of them to some dinky justification for (in this case) performative juvenile attention-seeking. I coul…

> She ripped up a photo of a pope, who...hadn't abused any children.

Ah, I guess "just" knowingly covering for repeat child molesters is no big deal. Thanks for clarifying your position.

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

listenallyall wrote: post #244
cmrdporcupine wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it speaks less to people's religious feelings and more towards the rather apolitical and apathetic alternative music culture at the time. If I recall the atmosphere at the time it was less "how dare she say that about the Pope?!" and more "how dare she co-opt the public stage for controversial/'political' speech?!" I also don't recall the outrage at her SNL performance even being particularly or especially by…

> we're trying to sell/watching a entertainment products here, and now you've just gone and made things intense I know the enlightened viewpoint is that tearing up the pope's photo was brave and progressive, that Sinead was ahead of her time in recognizing the faults of the Catholic church -- but yes, exactly, she absolutely failed to "read the room." SNL in the early 90s was one of the best eras, but it was also one…

Why do you think she wanted positive attention?

Believe it or not, not everybody is selling themselves all the time.

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