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Re: Sinead O’Connor has died

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Post by 29athrowaway »

dhucerbin wrote: post #213

I was growing up in Poland in the height of John Paul II cult. I was raised in atheist family and I was getting some tidbits about my grandfathers brother who was sexually assaulted by a priest. Today it sounds a little bit silly but that SNL performance was the validation I needed to navigate my environment outside my home. Now I learned a lot about issues in Catholic Church and I understand this stuff better but I’…

Archbishop Wojtyła helped overthrow communist regime in the Polish People's Republic, which caused significant hardship among Polish people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_People%27s_Republic

Re: Sinead O’Connor has died

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Post by pbj1968 »

jedberg wrote: post #191
racl101 wrote: post #133

Geez, only 56 years old. Seems like a lot of Gen X artists are passing away much earlier than the generation before them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/27_Club The 27 Club is an informal list consisting mostly of popular musicians, artists, actors, and other celebrities who died at age 27. Brian Jones, Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, and Jim Morrison all died at the age of 27 between 1969 and 1971. At the time, the coincidence gave rise to some comment, but it was not until Kurt Cobain's 1994 suicide, at age 27, that the idea of a "27 Club"…

Started with Robert Johnson. C’mon, man.

Re: Sinead O’Connor has died

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Post by TYPE_FASTER »

ogab wrote: post #175

Saw her live in NYC back in 2005 when she was doing roots reggae. Sly & Robbie was the rhythm section, with Burning Spear on vocals and percussion. Maybe Mikey Chung on guitar? I was totally surprised at the combination — this Crazy Baldhead amongst Dreads — but one of the best live shows I've been to. Surrounded by reggae icons, she was a boss on that stage. Big up Sinéad! An incredible musician.

Wow, I had no idea that lineup existed. Just started going down the YouTube rabbit hole. Thank you.

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Post by CoastalCoder »

jawns wrote: post #220
dang wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The flagged comments I'm aware of are either taking the thread into flamewar, and/or on generic tangents. Those are correct uses of flags. If there's something I've missed about this, I'm happy to take a look, but I'd need a specific link. "Robust" can mean a lot of things. HN's intended purpose is curious conversation. If we allow the predictably-outraged type of thread here, it will quickly take over discussion of…

My comment was flagged, even though I was trying to provide context to explain why she experienced such a strong reaction to her SNL stunt. The parent comment and many supportive sibling comments remain unflagged, which leaves the impression that I was downvoted and flagged simply because people didn't like a more critical viewpoint, not because the comment lacked substance or was intended to inflame.

Unfortunately there are some topics that would be genuinely interesting to discuss, but which the HN community just doesn't handle well.

IMHO the best approach is to just try to spot those threads early, and maybe find other forums to discuss them [1].

[1] Finding suitable forums is left as an exercise to the reader. Maybe it requires in-person discussion with people who will assume each other's best intentions.

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Post by goodbyesf »

tetrep wrote: post #198
adnanc wrote: post #190

Announcing her conversion, she said, "This is to announce that I am proud to have become a Muslim. This is the natural conclusion of any intelligent theologian's journey. All scripture study leads to Islam. Which makes all other scriptures redundant."

That sort of phrasing is almost to be expected, no? This might just be a cynical atheist's interpretation of Abrahamic religions, but Islam seems to be loosely doing the same thing to Christianity that Christianity did to Judaism, i.e. it purports to be the next theological evolution and therefore all practioniers of {current_religion} should rationally convert and download the latest religious firmware. I was going…

> This might just be a cynical atheist's interpretation of Abrahamic religions

There is only one abrahamic religion - judaism. Judaism confers eternal salvation and israel to the descendants of abraham. People forget that judaism is an ethnicity first and religion second. Hence why you can be an atheist jew. The convenant between god and abraham and his descendant is what makes a religion abrahamic.

'On that day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying, To your descendants I have given this land, From the river of Egypt as far as the great river, the river Euphrates...' Genesis 15.

Christianity is a non-abrahamic religion as the covenant is between christ and all of humanity. Hence why anyone can become a christian. Similarly with islam as anyone can become a muslim.

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Post by jedberg »

pbj1968 wrote: post #222
jedberg wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/27_Club The 27 Club is an informal list consisting mostly of popular musicians, artists, actors, and other celebrities who died at age 27. Brian Jones, Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, and Jim Morrison all died at the age of 27 between 1969 and 1971. At the time, the coincidence gave rise to some comment, but it was not until Kurt Cobain's 1994 suicide, at age 27, that the idea of a "27 Club"…

Started with Robert Johnson. C’mon, man.

I was just quoting Wikipedia. If you have a beef you should edit Wikipedia. :)

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Post by linksnapzz »

tooriel wrote: post #203
linksnapzz wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As was Joe Pesci’s response to her a week later.

Unremarkable and forgotten.

Were that the case, I’m sure I would’ve gotten fewer downvotes. ;)

Just the same though; JP2 would’ve certainly not held the poor woman’s fit of pique against her.

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Post by inamorty »

29athrowaway wrote: post #221
dhucerbin wrote: post #213

I was growing up in Poland in the height of John Paul II cult. I was raised in atheist family and I was getting some tidbits about my grandfathers brother who was sexually assaulted by a priest. Today it sounds a little bit silly but that SNL performance was the validation I needed to navigate my environment outside my home. Now I learned a lot about issues in Catholic Church and I understand this stuff better but I’…

Archbishop Wojtyła helped overthrow communist regime in the Polish People's Republic, which caused significant hardship among Polish people. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_People%27s_Republic

Read this one as well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_John_Paul_II#Sexual_abuse...

Re: Sinead O’Connor has died

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Post by lost_tourist »

tetrep wrote: post #198
adnanc wrote: post #190

Announcing her conversion, she said, "This is to announce that I am proud to have become a Muslim. This is the natural conclusion of any intelligent theologian's journey. All scripture study leads to Islam. Which makes all other scriptures redundant."

That sort of phrasing is almost to be expected, no? This might just be a cynical atheist's interpretation of Abrahamic religions, but Islam seems to be loosely doing the same thing to Christianity that Christianity did to Judaism, i.e. it purports to be the next theological evolution and therefore all practioniers of {current_religion} should rationally convert and download the latest religious firmware. I was going…

I sort of think that atheism and humanism is the final form of a religion that is self-correcting

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Post by lost_tourist »

goodbyesf wrote: post #225
tetrep wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That sort of phrasing is almost to be expected, no? This might just be a cynical atheist's interpretation of Abrahamic religions, but Islam seems to be loosely doing the same thing to Christianity that Christianity did to Judaism, i.e. it purports to be the next theological evolution and therefore all practioniers of {current_religion} should rationally convert and download the latest religious firmware. I was going…

> This might just be a cynical atheist's interpretation of Abrahamic religions There is only one abrahamic religion - judaism. Judaism confers eternal salvation and israel to the descendants of abraham. People forget that judaism is an ethnicity first and religion second. Hence why you can be an atheist jew. The convenant between god and abraham and his descendant is what makes a religion abrahamic. 'On that day the…

Theologians will not agree with you.
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