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Sinead O’Connor has died

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Re: Sinead O’Connor has died

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Post by jedberg »

racl101 wrote: post #133

Geez, only 56 years old. Seems like a lot of Gen X artists are passing away much earlier than the generation before them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/27_Club

The 27 Club is an informal list consisting mostly of popular musicians, artists, actors, and other celebrities who died at age 27.

Brian Jones, Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, and Jim Morrison all died at the age of 27 between 1969 and 1971. At the time, the coincidence gave rise to some comment, but it was not until Kurt Cobain's 1994 suicide, at age 27, that the idea of a "27 Club" began to catch on in public perception.

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Post by wkat4242 »

slillibri wrote: post #8
JAM1971 wrote: post #4

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She lost her son of 17 years only 5 months ago. With no additional details, I know where my mind goes. Edit: whatever article I read said 5 months ago, but that appears to have been written some time ago. Plenty of articles stating that Shane died in Jan/2022: https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=shane+oconnor+wikipedia&ia=...

Sure, but I’m certain that random internet speculation helps no one at this point.

It's not really random though.

She's announced she was going to do it before and to be fair she's always had more than her fair share of mental troubles, sadly. As someone who is also cursed with those I know how hard that can be and I didn't even lose a child.

Withholding the cause is what leads to speculation and I don't think it's a bad guess in this case.

Personally I think it's better if they just announced it because believe it or not something like this can also lead to good things. Because it can make people think, realise these things happen and notice the signs in people around them.

Re: Sinead O’Connor has died

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Post by nailer »

robertlagrant wrote: post #161
nailer wrote: post #143

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The audience are terrible, but as a child I would have taken part in that. We identified as a group, with a set of beliefs our parents had chosen for us, and thought anyone that attacked our leader was attacking us. Years later I grew up and apologised to Sinead O Connor on Twitter for thinking this way. But a lot of people never did grow up, not just Catholics but also people from other conservative religions. Peopl…

> A crowd of people booing Sinead O Connor 30 years ago is very similar to people attacking Charlie Hebdo in 2015 Erm. I don't think it's that similar.

ok

Re: Sinead O’Connor has died

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Post by cbsmith »

JohnBooty wrote: post #185
belfalas wrote: post #148

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Wow, I always liked Sinead and her music but didn't realize that was the reason for her haircut. Big up to her.

And tragically, I don't remember this ever being reported in the US at the time. She was largely portrayed as a vapid attention-seeker and it was as if the head-shaving was just like... one of her "wild and crazy" acts. Now, this was the mid-80s. Media was so much more centralized. I was a kid, and all you really had was the news bites that were served to you. Theoretically some enterprising kid/person could have rea…

> And tragically, I don't remember this ever being reported in the US at the time.

It was reported. It's just those facts didn't get in the way of portraying her as a vapid attention-seeker.

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Post by Taniwha »

johnohara wrote: post #117

I am deeply saddened by her passing. Her performances always featured powerful vocals driven by equally powerful emotion. But her version of Pink Floyd's "Mother," performed live in Berlin in 1990 with Roger Waters, Rick Danko, Levon Helm, and Garth Hudson, was Sinead at her most vulnerable and in my opinion, a full expression of her soul. Audio with onstage video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRbKXACBaoc High qua…

I was in Berlin a few days before and attended what was the best concert I ever attended, it was a double header, Sinead and Midnight Oil - it was just her and a tape deck and absolutely brilliant

Re: Sinead O’Connor has died

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Post by [deleted] »

bmmayer1 wrote: post #126
CydeWeys wrote: post #98

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> This was arguably one of the first "cancellations" before "cancel culture" was a thing we were talking about. Um, I think the 1,500+ year history of the Catholic church would beg to differ here ... And even before that, Socrates was so canceled for his views he was killed by the state.

That's a fair point. There's arguably an inflection point where media became "mass" media that's hard to pin down but somewhere in the late 1980's-early 1990's where 24 hour news and the internet were in their infancy. I'm sure there's a smart thesis here that a media expert could make ;)

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Post by tetrep »

adnanc wrote: post #190

Announcing her conversion, she said, "This is to announce that I am proud to have become a Muslim. This is the natural conclusion of any intelligent theologian's journey. All scripture study leads to Islam. Which makes all other scriptures redundant."

That sort of phrasing is almost to be expected, no? This might just be a cynical atheist's interpretation of Abrahamic religions, but Islam seems to be loosely doing the same thing to Christianity that Christianity did to Judaism, i.e. it purports to be the next theological evolution and therefore all practioniers of {current_religion} should rationally convert and download the latest religious firmware.

I was going to make a joke about how it's a shame they stopped inventing Abrahamic religions, but then I remembered the Mormons! I would like to suggest that Mormonism is the true natural conclusion of any intelligent theologian's journey. At least until someone creates a new Abrahamic religion to succeed it.

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Post by DoreenMichele »

cbsmith wrote: post #195
JohnBooty wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And tragically, I don't remember this ever being reported in the US at the time. She was largely portrayed as a vapid attention-seeker and it was as if the head-shaving was just like... one of her "wild and crazy" acts. Now, this was the mid-80s. Media was so much more centralized. I was a kid, and all you really had was the news bites that were served to you. Theoretically some enterprising kid/person could have rea…

> And tragically, I don't remember this ever being reported in the US at the time. It was reported. It's just those facts didn't get in the way of portraying her as a vapid attention-seeker.

Yeah, I'm American and I knew.

And, yet, some guy on some talk show said about her something like "It's kind of arrogant. If she didn't look like Audrey Hepburn, she wouldn't have done it (shaved her head). It's a form of bragging: Look how beautiful I am!"

I wanted to reach through my TV and smack him.

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