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Sinead O’Connor has died

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Re: Sinead O’Connor has died

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Post by unethical_ban »

dang wrote: post #149
unethical_ban wrote: post #119

There are a number of flagged comments which don't deserve it. And as long as there is no outlet for objecting to poor flagging decisions, I'll use the comments section to call attention to it. If we are going to have a discussion about a performer unafraid of controversy and who struggled with mental and spiritual concerns publicly, a robust conversation should be allowed.

The flagged comments I'm aware of are either taking the thread into flamewar, and/or on generic tangents. Those are correct uses of flags. If there's something I've missed about this, I'm happy to take a look, but I'd need a specific link. "Robust" can mean a lot of things. HN's intended purpose is curious conversation. If we allow the predictably-outraged type of thread here, it will quickly take over discussion of…

As always, know I understand the work you do and that a healthy online community requires a heavy hand sometimes.

I suppose my argument is that there is more room for personal criticisms, negatives comments and unsubstantiated opinion in a thread discussing a public figure's life than a more technical/abstract topic.

That is all; I won't push the subject.

Re: Sinead O’Connor has died

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Post by giraffe_lady »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #146

What a legend. It's hard to overstate how much pushback and shit was thrown at her when she ripped up a picture of the Pope on SNL in 1992 to protest church child abuse. It's also hard to overstate how incredibly prescient and correct she was in her outrage. Catholic church child sex abuse didn't really enter the national debate until a decade later.

Willingly and knowingly threw away a promising mainstream pop career to make that statement. Eternal respect.

Re: Sinead O’Connor has died

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Post by whycome »

> She refused the playing of US national anthem before her concerts, drawing further public scorn.

Was this a thing?!

A good episode of "You're Wrong About..." covers the controversy of her:

https://open.spotify.com/episode/265qKOV5C7XBqlyXMjp7VF

https://podcasts.apple.com/at/podcast/sin%C3%A9ad-oconnor-wi...

Re: Sinead O’Connor has died

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Post by dang »

unethical_ban wrote: post #151
dang wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The flagged comments I'm aware of are either taking the thread into flamewar, and/or on generic tangents. Those are correct uses of flags. If there's something I've missed about this, I'm happy to take a look, but I'd need a specific link. "Robust" can mean a lot of things. HN's intended purpose is curious conversation. If we allow the predictably-outraged type of thread here, it will quickly take over discussion of…

As always, know I understand the work you do and that a healthy online community requires a heavy hand sometimes. I suppose my argument is that there is more room for personal criticisms, negatives comments and unsubstantiated opinion in a thread discussing a public figure's life than a more technical/abstract topic. That is all; I won't push the subject.

Thanks for the kind reply. We're not trying to shut down those things—only the predictable/indignant/flamey stuff. Is there a flagged post that you think is the former but not the latter?

Re: Sinead O’Connor has died

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Post by hackerzzzz »

dang wrote: post #62
basisword wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you not think your comment would have been better without the final sentence?

It was flamebait, but please let's not take the bait because a religious flamewar is not what we need here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Re: Sinead O’Connor has died

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Post by bryanrasmussen »

whycome wrote: post #153

> She refused the playing of US national anthem before her concerts, drawing further public scorn. Was this a thing?! A good episode of "You're Wrong About..." covers the controversy of her: https://open.spotify.com/episode/265qKOV5C7XBqlyXMjp7VF https://podcasts.apple.com/at/podcast/sin%C3%A9ad-oconnor-wi...

I used to refuse to stand for the pledge of allegiance in high school and get threatened with being beat up, I guess it was a thing at the time.

Re: Sinead O’Connor has died

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Post by cmh89 »

CSMastermind wrote: post #63
GoofballJones wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would even bet if it happened on an SNL today, it would have been met with applause.

That's just because the mores of society have changed. I can think of dozens of true statements that if spoken on a show like Saturday Night Live would led to a performer being banned.

>That's just because the mores of society have changed.

And the huge amounts of research that shined the light on the Catholic church's culture of preying and assaulting children and then covering it up.

It took quite a heroic effort to bring the Catholic church's crimes to light and she was speaking about something the media wasn't comfortable or willing to report on.

Re: Sinead O’Connor has died

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Post by wahnfrieden »

synetic wrote: post #144
synetic wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve been on this site since the beginning. I change usernames periodically. I understand the desire to avoid flame wars. Here’s a sincere question. If I called Charles Manson a bastard would that be flamebait? Are we at the point that calling out the objectively verified despicable acts of a person is flamebait? It wasn’t a swipe at the man. Sinead suffered a lot for ripping his image apart. She has died now. It is…

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