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Superconductor news: What’s claimed, and how strong the evidence seems to be

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Re: Superconductor news: What’s claimed, and how strong the evidence seems to be

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I don't think the actual proposed superconductivity mechanism is the relevant part of this paper. It is much easier to prove that this is superconducting than to prove why. And in a sense it is a bit less relevant. Although developing a working theory for room temperature is also probably worth a Nobel prize, so I am willing to bet some theorists are also running to their blackboards as we speak.

Yeah. BCS was proposed a half century after the first conventional superconductor was discovered, and even today we don't have a convincing mechanism for "regular" high-Tc superconductors. But if it superconducts, it superconducts, and research into the how is useful but not a blocker to using it.

That depends. If it super conducts, but it isn't useful in the real world, then we will be waiting for theory to - hopefully - give us some insight into how to improve things to useful.

This only can carry a small amount of current. I'm not sure how to figure out what small means (numbers are given in the article if you know how to use them!), but if the losses using regular wire are less than the energy needed to make this stuff then it isn't useful.

This is made out of lead. Even if it is useful for transmission, the difficulty of working safely with lead in a factory may mean it is impractical. Or it make leach lead into the real world making it not safe to deploy.

There are probably other ways this can turn into a "it works but isn't practical" thing that would force us to wait for theory (or luck!) to point to something better. What I wrote above is what I can think of in a couple minutes. Only time will tell though, I hope it works out.

Re: Superconductor news: What’s claimed, and how strong the evidence seems to be

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I don’t know enough about this but shouldn’t the entire superconductor be floating above the magnet? Why is one part still attached (or maybe attracted) to the magnet?

Based on what I'm hearing, it sounds like they weren't able to produce a macroscopic ingot of the stuff, so it seems likely to me that the superconducting part is up at the end there. However, without further explanation, I'm disinclined to take that video (fantastic as it seems) to be conclusive evidence of anything.

The original preprint mentions bulk samples, but I’m not sure what size they were. I would guess at least a few millimeters scale, but really bulk just mostly means “not a thin film”

Re: Superconductor news: What’s claimed, and how strong the evidence seems to be

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If this material does just what they say it does, what would it revolutionise? Or as the article talks about, is this just a pointer at other possibilities that would be the real game changers?

Here's a few from the top of my head: - A global power net. No solar power during the night? Just produce it on the other side of the planet. - A superconducting computer. Less resistance when pushing bits around = 500x less power consumption. - A Superconducting magnetic battery. Store power indefinitely with high efficiency.

If yesterday's comments were correct, you can strike the power transport and storage use cases, as this material has a pretty low electric current density.

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This is going to mess up RoHS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restriction_of_Hazardous_Subst...

RoHS has a number of exceptions. Ambient temp/pressure superconductivity will absolutely be excepted too.

Nope, sorry. The EU is probably just gonna pass on RT superconductors. /s

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Ding ding ding! We still don't know how bikes work, we have a pretty good but incomplete model for lift on airplanes, and no one has the faintest why Tylenol works. We should figure that out! But we can definitely keep using all the applications until then. (Except for Tylenol, we keep learning how bad that stuff is) EDIT: It won't let me post more, so here's the answers to responses. For sure! https://www.cbc.ca/new…

Do you have a link handy for "we don't know how bikes work" ?

I'm assuming they mean the balance mechanism, and specifically what allows us to balance. How much is it the rider shifting their weight, how much is micro steering adjusts as we move forward, how much is the gyroscopic forces of the wheels, how much of it has to do with the angle of the handle bars to the wheel verse the center of weight.

That said, I'm guessing this one is well understood by experts, but more complex than someone would assume at first glance, and many who have some understanding likely have an incorrect or at least incomplete understanding of how balancing works.

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Do you have a link handy for "we don't know how bikes work" ?

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I'm not super interested in watching Joe Rogan and RFK, is there a particular bit where they talk about bikes?

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Another example of this was Millikan's determination of the fundamental electric charge (of one electron). The first, famous experiment had a major error; and subsequently everyone who independently replicated the experiment, for two decades, came up with the same error, in the same direction. The people whose experiments got the correct value probably self-selected themselves out of publishing it. https://en.wikiped…

Room-temperature superconductors have so many urgent commercial uses that if this fake, I doubt the error will persist for that long. There's too much at stake.

There's also probably a hundred labs skipping over replication completely to try and beat someone else out on a random permutation of these materials and methods and hoping to get lucky.

Re: Superconductor news: What’s claimed, and how strong the evidence seems to be

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If this material does just what they say it does, what would it revolutionise? Or as the article talks about, is this just a pointer at other possibilities that would be the real game changers?

As far as I can tell the critical field, the maximum magnetic field it can withstand before turning into a regular conductor, is relatively low at 0.3 Tesla. In superconductors like YBCO, it's often more than 100 T. If critical field cannot be increased this will limit applications.

Near term may be useful for devices which take advantage of quantum effects such as Superconducting QUantum interference devices or SQUIDs.

Use in microelectronics may be possible, but is likely quite difficult. Making complicated structures out of this material will require radically new microelectronic manufacturing processes. HTSC microelectronics don't exist as far as I can tell.

If critical field can be improved things get interesting. If it can be increased to that of known HTSCs at liquid nitrogen temperatures(critical field scales with temperature), that's interesting because this material should be cheaper.

If it can be increased moderately at room temperature, there is the potential for it replacing rare earth magnets because the material should be cheaper.

Re: Superconductor news: What’s claimed, and how strong the evidence seems to be

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Researcher on reddit thinks it's probably spurious measurement artifacts, not superconductivity: > I would say they are not faking it, but instead they just don’t understand what they are looking at. Based on what measurements they are doing, as well as how they are doing them, they do not have a good understanding of the standard processes to characterise a superconductor. Also, based on their analysis/discussion, t…

Another interesting comment by that redditor https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/159jojs/comment...
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