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Former intel officer says 'non-human biologics’ found at alleged UFO crash sites

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Post by zmgsabst »

waterheater wrote: post #113

The general response in this discussion is skeptical, and I can understand the hesitation to broach the UFO/UAP topic, particularly when the topic has been vilified for literally decades. However, we are now in a legitimately different era of discussion of these topics, and you have to be willing to open your mind to the idea that these efforts are legitimate. The bipartisanship at the hearing is to be commended, and…

We know that intel agencies and military routinely lie to Congress; many times historically and several major ones in just my lifetime:

- Iraq WMDs

- dragnet surveillance

- ANA will fight the Taliban

We also know they obscure the truth, eg Victoria Nuland responding to the question about “chemical or biological weapons” in Ukraine by nodding as she spoke about “research labs”.

We also know the CIA has previously hacked the computers of a congressional investigation into their misconduct.

The default assumption is that this is concocted narratives to raise military funding from an increasingly impoverished and war-weary public — sickened by the MIC waste and ineptitude (eg, we can’t repair ships and all of NATO manufactures fewer artillery shells than Russia alone).

This is FUD until there’s evidence — these people have zero credibility.

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Post by pshirshov »

Eji1700 wrote: post #111
pshirshov wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Based on what we know it's highly unlikely/impossible but what if you don't have to accelerate?..

What if god is real (or gods, or whatever)? That's what this all boils down to. It's the exact same line of logic. Sure there could be an omnipotent all powerful being that just chooses to stay hidden from us for no provable, observable, or obvious reason. It's just impossible to prove or disprove. What if they don't need to accelerate? Neat, it's STILL a shit ton of energy. What if they can teleport? Neat, it's STIL…

I totally agree with your way of thinking, that's the only way to stay sane.

But this green men circus makes me really uncomfortable at this point. I kinda want to believe.

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Post by srvmshr »

BobbyJo wrote: post #217
srvmshr wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It is. UFO reports come out of all of those countries. India has a religious tradition with very clear UFO references, and videos come out of China all the time (although they tend to be purposely faked 100% of the times I've seen). I have lived/ been a citizen/ married to someone from each of these listed places. UFO reference in Hinduism is zero. I am practicing Hindu - I can vouch with 100% certainty. My wife is…

I literally pointed you to a kaggle file of reports from a major UFO reporting organization. And with regard to Hindu UFOs, I was referring to Vimana. Not sure what you expect me to present as far as evidence goes when my point is "there is a ton of dubious evidence, but evidence none-the-less".

> I literally pointed you to a kaggle file of reports from a major UFO reporting organization.

Kaggle competition is a supporting evidence for you?

> And with regard to Hindu UFOs, I was referring to Vimana.

Those were depicted as chariots mostly drawn by flying horses or elephants in Ramayana & Mahabharata. Unless you consider flying horses as aliens. Also, these were written as poetic verses with generous doses of imagination.

> Not sure what you expect me to present as far as evidence goes when my point is "there is a ton of dubious evidence, but evidence none-the-less".

Let me help by stating: There is a ton of dubious statements from many people which doesn't count as evidence (those testifying without shred of evidence to congress). More of he-said-she-said trust-me-bro. Hence why I asserted these aren't worth discussing anymore. And quoting them as support is not good faith in a scientific evidence-oriented discussion

There are conspiracy theories & then there are conspiracy dogmas group of people fall trap to & blindly propagate, much like religion. Then usual responses to reasonable scientific queries become topics of (1) our science isn't developed enough (2) godly metaphysics isn't known enough (3) reasons of alien presence/ absence/ ambiguity aren't clear enough - despite strong evidence to the contrarian opinion.

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Post by mikeyouse »

ericb wrote: post #230
Avshalom wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I already told you" and "I'll tell you later" are absolutely avoidance when asked for specifics.

I can see where it might sound that way if you haven't watched the testimony. "I provided this classified information under oath to the inspector general" is not an avoidance tactic but a direction where to locate classified info. "I'll tell you later" on the surface might sound like an avoidance tactic, but when he was asked when he could provide it the answer was "immediately after today's session." In other words,…

Willing to get arrested would be a huge signal that he's an actual whistleblower and not full of shit!

There's almost no chance he'd face any consequences given the topic and the amount of support he'd have the from the public, and even then, Daniel Hale's sentence for disclosing dozens of classified documents to reporters was ~3.5yrs in jail. The LARPers pretending like he'd be sent to gitmo are completely in lala land.

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Post by Spooky23 »

caladin wrote: post #205
ozten wrote: post #179

The simplest explanation I've come up with is that the politicians like Marco Rubio and Matt Gaetz are servicing the UFO conspiracy segment of their demographics by supporting and encouraging David Grusch to be a UAP whistleblower. Grusch's extraordinary claims that the US has forced a global secrecy around the race to recover working and crashed non-human vehicles since 1930, that biological materials (aliens) and v…

This comment (inadvertently?) by mentioning those names gives off the impression that this is a partisan push. It is not. This is an explicitly bipartisan effort. Most recently: - Kirsten Gillibrand (Senator D-NY) most recently secured funding for UAP Office, and for years now has been writing legislation on the topic which has been passed: https://www.gillibrand.senate.gov/news/press/release/gillibr... - Chuck Schum…

The alien and ancient civilization stuff comes mostly from the gop. Rubio isn’t worried about ET - but bullshit like this is appealing to the nutjobs attracted to qanon, etc who vote.

UAPs aren’t little green men. A drone with AI controls fits the quotes description.

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Post by AndrewKemendo »

likeabbas wrote: post #232
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>putting their reputation and career (and maybe safety) on the line They aren't because there is literally no new data, none. This isn't like Manning etc... where there was a materiel leak of classified data. So what would they be charged/fired for? Nothing. It's so much lazier, the claim is that being prevented access is somehow a proof of a coverup. All of the claims of harm were long before any of the publicity he…

> They were all regular joes with uneventful military careers Grusch was a GS15 NGA officer that was read into over 2000 special access programs and prepared/delivered the presidential daily briefing in 2021. He’s quite literally one of the most credentialed intelligence officers in the US. Dave Fravor was second in command of the USS Nimitz and is recognized as one of the top fighter pilots to come out of Top Gun.

>Grusch was a GS15 NGA officer that was read into over 2000 special access programs and prepared/delivered the presidential daily briefing in 2021. He’s quite literally one of the most credentialed intelligence officers in the US.

This is way more common than you think it is and again, not special.

I prepped multiple PDBs from 2012-2015 while at DIA and then again while on the JS/J2 staff. Delivering a segment of the PDB is indeed noteworthy, but again, not particularly rare or an indication that you're somehow especially great or special.

This is the reality of the IC ... things that SEEM special to you are boring regular everyday events for us. Few people in the DoD/IC are exceptional and I can promise you that this guy wasn't one of them

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Post by ralgozino »

joezydeco wrote: post #152
MikeTheRocker wrote: post #115

I don't know what to make of this. It just seems so incredibly implausibly that extraterrestrials would have the technology or motive to come to Earth without widespread detection.

More precisely, a civilization that can master interstellar travel and navigation but somehow keeps crashing on our planet?

And it's funny how they always crash in the USA, isn't it?

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Post by calibas »

LapsangGuzzler wrote: post #118

Snowden spent quite a bit of time looking for UFO stuff since he had access to almost everything classified and never found any evidence. I’m not saying this whistleblower is definitely lying, but if anyone was capable and willing to bring this forward with receipts, Snowden would’ve done so.

This actually backs up what they said in the hearing. There's an extra level of security regarding UFO documents, and even people who are supposed to have access are stonewalled. The members of congress in the hearing appeared to confirm this.

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Post by beaned »

neuronic wrote: post #224
beaned wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, like what would be their motivation for exclusively interacting with governments rather than, say, landing in Times Square? I guess a counter thought would be that they haven't actually tried to interact with anyone at all, maybe only observe, but the armed forces/governments are the only element of our species with the ability to detect and retrieve them when they make mistakes.

But they never make mistakes above NYC or Berlin, or anywhere with a bunch of social media + phone users around. Just somewhere in the desert conveniently close to AFBs and other restricted areas.

A good point. A couple thoughts here might be:

1. They make exceptionally few mistakes overall anyway;

2. Perhaps it is the interaction between armed force technology and their vehicles which creates problems for them (whether intentional or not from our side);

3. The majority of our land surface area is not inhabited at any given moment. Maybe these drones, or whatever they are, do not even care about life here, and are not particularly attracted to cities or people, and are statistically more likely to fail out of reach of most populated areas just because that's what our geographic distribution is like.

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