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Study shows glyphosate impairs learning in bumblebees

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Re: Study shows glyphosate impairs learning in bumblebees

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It's also a neurotoxin in humans: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9101768/

Is there glyphosate in our food? How does it get there?

Mainly Roundup residues on GMO foods, as well as farm runoff in groundwater. EPA estimates we're all exposed to 0.058–0.230 mg/kg/day and they set the maximum acceptable daily dose at 1.75 mg/kg/day. But the available dosage science is weak.

Re: Study shows glyphosate impairs learning in bumblebees

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It's also a neurotoxin in humans: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9101768/

Almost everything is neurotoxic depending on the dose. Sodium Chloride(Table Salt) will reek havoc on your brain and nervous systems if the concentration gets to high. Why you get muscle cramps and dizzy when dehydrated. Luckily the study addresses this and says that you have heavily dose rats to get a neurotoxic effect but humans will never see this dose under environmental exposure.

> Most of studies of rodents analyzed in this review used doses of glyphosate or GBH that did not exceed the current NOAEL and ranged from 5 mg/kg [68] to 800 mg/kg [13]. These doses are not representative of human environmental exposures, which are in the range of μg/kg/day.

Re: Study shows glyphosate impairs learning in bumblebees

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US bulk agriculture exports are what keep vast swathes of the developing world from starving. GMOs, herbicides and pesticides are how the US produces immense quantities of cheap food for the rest of the world [1]. I don't really care what the rest of the world whines about, when the US is the country actually keeping millions of the global poor alive. [1] https://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/international-markets-u-s-tr..…

> I don't really care what the rest of the world whines about thank you for clarifying your point of view so well

To be fair, you’re quoting only half the sentence when the second part of that sentence justifies/qualifies it rather well.

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US bulk agriculture exports are what keep vast swathes of the developing world from starving. GMOs, herbicides and pesticides are how the US produces immense quantities of cheap food for the rest of the world [1]. I don't really care what the rest of the world whines about, when the US is the country actually keeping millions of the global poor alive. [1] https://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/international-markets-u-s-tr..…

No. The US (and European) ag subsidies are what fuel overproduction, undermine local production and markets in other countries, creating dependencies and poor diets.

Overproduction? Of food?

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Is there glyphosate in our food? How does it get there?

Mainly Roundup residues on GMO foods, as well as farm runoff in groundwater. EPA estimates we're all exposed to 0.058–0.230 mg/kg/day and they set the maximum acceptable daily dose at 1.75 mg/kg/day. But the available dosage science is weak.

Thanks this is great data. Not sure who is downvoting you or why

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No. The US (and European) ag subsidies are what fuel overproduction, undermine local production and markets in other countries, creating dependencies and poor diets.

Overproduction? Of food?

Yes. Specific foods. Such as corn, sugar and soybean.

“The US sugar program relies on import quotas and limits on domestic production to ensure domestic prices for raw and refined sugar are, on average, about 100% higher than world prices.

4,000 or so farms that raise sugar beet and sugarcane, many of which also plant most of their cropland to other heavily subsidized commodities such as corn and soybeans.”

https://www.aei.org/research-products/report/recapping-the-e...

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>> An average of almost 130 pounds of glyphosate herbicides were sprayed per square mile in U.S. counties. Is this the weight of pure glyphosate, or it includes the solvents like water? Wikipedia says that the density of glyphosate is 1.7 but they have no units. Let's assume it's g/cm^3 (the density of water is 1g/cm^3, so it's a good guess.) From https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=130pounds+%2F+%281.7g%2... this i…

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It's easy in America. As soon as your industry becomes big enough you can afford to petition (lobby) the government to write regulations that favor your busines in your industry. Fortunately any American can petition their government. Collectively we could hire our own lobbyist to write better laws (and regulations).

Our representatives are supposed to be our lobbyists. Part of the problem is people ignore when their lobbyist is doing a bad job when they wear the right color uniform, and refuse to acknowledge any good they do when they wear the other color uniform.

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Overproduction? Of food?

Yes. Specific foods. Such as corn, sugar and soybean. “The US sugar program relies on import quotas and limits on domestic production to ensure domestic prices for raw and refined sugar are, on average, about 100% higher than world prices. 4,000 or so farms that raise sugar beet and sugarcane, many of which also plant most of their cropland to other heavily subsidized commodities such as corn and soybeans.” https://w…

> and limits on domestic production

How can you possibly be arguing that limits on domestic production are causing overproduction?

Re: Study shows glyphosate impairs learning in bumblebees

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Yes. Specific foods. Such as corn, sugar and soybean. “The US sugar program relies on import quotas and limits on domestic production to ensure domestic prices for raw and refined sugar are, on average, about 100% higher than world prices. 4,000 or so farms that raise sugar beet and sugarcane, many of which also plant most of their cropland to other heavily subsidized commodities such as corn and soybeans.” https://w…

> and limits on domestic production How can you possibly be arguing that limits on domestic production are causing overproduction ?

They cause overproduction of poor substitutes. Like beets for sugar because of limits on sugar cane. Or monoculture GMO corn for HFCS. This skews diets and prices, usually for the worst.
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