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Overture Maps Foundation releases open map dataset

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Re: Overture Maps Foundation releases open map dataset

#41

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How do they do that? I thought OSM was licensed in such a way that if you combine it with other data, the whole thing needed to be released with the same license?

These things don’t matter when one side has 100x the lawyers of the other side.

Not exactly.

Are they releasing OSM data or OSM derived data on CDLAv2 anywhere, right now?

There was issue like this in past but it was resolved.

Re: Overture Maps Foundation releases open map dataset

#42

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How do they do that? I thought OSM was licensed in such a way that if you combine it with other data, the whole thing needed to be released with the same license?

Are they releasing OSM data or OSM derived data on CDLAv2 anywhere?

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Re: Overture Maps Foundation releases open map dataset

#43
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What's the difference between this and Open Street Maps?

Ha I was just wondering the same and Overture has a FAQ that answers that exact question; Overture is a data-centric map project, not a community of individual map editors. Therefore, Overture is intended to be complementary to OSM. We combine OSM with other sources to produce new open map data sets. Overture data will be available for use by the OpenStreetMap community under compatible open data licenses. Overture m…

We've focused on designing a data schema that is easy for developers to quickly understand and use in building map products.

https://docs.overturemaps.org/

OSM focuses on open map editing, but due to it's flexible schema, it can be hard to extract needed information from OSM.

Overture seems to focus on providing map data (from multiple sources) that can be used more easily.

EDIT: OSM is also trying to improve the OSM data model for easier processing. https://github.com/osmlab/osm-data-model

Re: Overture Maps Foundation releases open map dataset

#44
post #27

If you are looking for maps themselves (a la Google Maps) I highly recommend checking out Protomaps [0]. It provides a single file (PMTile format) that contains all the map data and you can request ranges from the single file to get the required vector data you need for a given area/zoom. So you can setup something like the following: S3 (host the myfile.pmtiles) Then you can setup tiles.mydomain.com (or use the clou…

their demo isn't doing them any favors since it seems to stop at some random zoomlevel, eliding the kind of detail that I'd care about if I were evaluating that solution digging into their GH repos surfaces https://protomaps.github.io/PMTiles/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fr2-pu... which is at least more detailed if not quite a GMaps killer

I agree, if it weren't for your comment, I was about to ditch it as a candidate because it stopped zooming at a bad level. But your link shows that it contains a tremendous amount of data.

Edit: And I missed parents link to https://app.protomaps.com/downloads/small_map which is actually better.

Re: Overture Maps Foundation releases open map dataset

#45
post #28

The GitHub repo is here; https://github.com/OvertureMaps/data -- Licenses look super permissive - I'm not that familiar with the state of Open Mapping but the GERS idea looks great too. https://docs.overturemaps.org/gers/

The CDLA license feels like NIH... but at least it looks genuinely permissive, as opposed to fake open source. Curiously, two of the four layers use the ODbL.

> Curiously, two of the four layers use the ODbL.

Probably this data is reformatted OpenStreetMap data or derived from it (so is licensed as ODBL and requires attributing OpenStreetMap)

Re: Overture Maps Foundation releases open map dataset

#46
I like that they provide this data, however when you try to actually retrieve it, It looks like they went out of their way to make it as convoluted as possible to try to retrieve any of the actual data.... so you have to use DuckDB and then do the import using that? why not just support mysql dump files? why require someone to have DuckDB? is DuckDB that popular? also the links they provide don't work so it doesn't look like any of it's available.... how is somebody supposed to use this stuff? they require you to also have Amazon S3 with some query language that's non-standard to be able to talk to it.... I don't get it I'm sure I'm not the only one but it needs to be more generic instead of the way they're doing it

Re: Overture Maps Foundation releases open map dataset

#47
post #13

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Yes, exactly. Overture is, for better or worse, looking to create a dataset that is more difficult to mess with / contribute to. I'm big on OpenStreetMap, but I can't deny its a bit of a liability for Facebook and other companies that display maps to their users. There is the occasional vandalism edit that simply can't be shown to an end-user. Facebook put significant effort into maintaining a moderated version of th…

> There is the occasional vandalism edit that simply can't be shown to an end-user. I remember the same sort of arguments being made about how web sites could not possibly ever accept user comments or submissions, or could not ever risk having users sending links to one another. Those all proved to be false.

Comments are not core parts of content.

What this is taking about is closer to Wikipedia. And vandalism is a real thing there, so portion of topics is moderated.

Re: Overture Maps Foundation releases open map dataset

#48

Great stuff, at some point I feel like Google is going to have to try to extract even more revenue out of maps than they currently get and it will really empower these sorts of collaborative map systems. I wish there was a way for people to fund satellite imagery that got pushed into these systems after purchase. Sunnyvale, for example, paid for a lot of imagery of the city that they use/used in staff discussions abo…

There's really no technical reason why imagery like that couldn't be contributed, and IIRC Google does use municipally-owned imagery in its products. A single city might not be a big enough source for them to bother, I don't know, but I know particularly in Europe I have seen copyright notices for national and regional governments when looking at imagery.

Though there are a lot of sources for satellite imagery right now; Google may not be that hard-up for new stuff. I suspect the commercial vendors they work with probably image the entire CONUS area every 12 months or so.

The imagery that would seem to be more in-demand would be the aerial photos used at very high zoom levels. I'm not a geospatial expert but I think these images are combined with some sort of LIDAR or multi-spectrum imagery to have height maps in tandem with the visuals. That strikes me as pretty expensive to obtain.

Re: Overture Maps Foundation releases open map dataset

#49
post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, exactly. Overture is, for better or worse, looking to create a dataset that is more difficult to mess with / contribute to. I'm big on OpenStreetMap, but I can't deny its a bit of a liability for Facebook and other companies that display maps to their users. There is the occasional vandalism edit that simply can't be shown to an end-user. Facebook put significant effort into maintaining a moderated version of th…

> There is the occasional vandalism edit that simply can't be shown to an end-user. I remember the same sort of arguments being made about how web sites could not possibly ever accept user comments or submissions, or could not ever risk having users sending links to one another. Those all proved to be false.

> not possibly ever accept user comments or submissions, or could not ever risk having users sending links to one another. Those all proved to be false

Funny thing is that this part is most often the cause of a data breach when looking at majority of pentesting reports.

One thing is to expose something to few ppl you know and another thing is a possibility to send things to millions of ppl that are constantly abused like Twitter or Youtube.

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