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Google vs. the Open Web

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Re: Google vs. the Open Web

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Post by hugs »

KnobbleMcKnees wrote: post #52
hugs wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hi, Selenium & Appium creator here. I've always been on the test automation side of things. The fact that these tools were also useful for scraping was an interesting coincidence to me. These days I make physical robots that are the "real world" equivalent of Selenium or Appium with a stylus that actually taps the screen and presses buttons. To websites and apps, taps and clicks are real, not emulated. Primary use is…

Thank you for your amazing software and for continuing to push the boundaries of test automation. Most interesting thing I've read all week.

Thanks, although I'm not active day-to-day on the Selenium and Appium projects these days. All my love to the current maintainers keeping the projects going!

Re: Google vs. the Open Web

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Post by ryu2k2 »

I don't want to play devil's advocate, but when I consider the history of personal computing it would almost surprise me if this didn't get through. From locked-down smartphones having become the norm to windows having turned into a carrier for advertisements, this just seems like the next step in some inevitable evolution of IT.

Maybe news agencies aren't much interested because this is still only an early proposal, but considering its implications I find it striking how little it seems to be talked about on the web (outside of hackernews). Rossmann seems to be the only one with a video on the topic up on Youtube. There's only a handful of Twitter results for "web environment integrity api" with next to no replies to them. When I look the keystring up on reddit the only result with a noteworthy amount of debate is not related to WEI at all. Social media is probably just on its last legs, but it doesn't seem like too many people that care are left to fight for what the web, or even general computing, used to be.

Re: Google vs. the Open Web

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Post by idreyn »

supriyo-biswas wrote: post #18

I mentioned this in the other WEI thread and I’ll do it here again: Instead of simply flailing our collective arms around complaining about an evil corporation, has anyone written to the respective competition authorities (such as the FTC in the US or CCI in India) about the potential anticompetitive effects of this proposal?

I wrote to the FTC: https://gist.github.com/idreyn/a37e4249b326243e1714b14780717...

Re: Google vs. the Open Web

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Post by JohnFen »

rapsey wrote: post #44
maxsilver wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's literally the FTC's job to block most mergers (they are required by law to block bad mergers, see https://www.ftc.gov/advice-guidance/competition-guidance/gui... for details) Their leadership isn't "awful", their leaders are finally doing their job , for the first time in decades.

Blocking Meta's acquisition of that VR company was braindead. Absolutely pointless.

So you're upset about that decision. Fair enough! I can't think of any regulatory agency that hasn't made a decision I thought was terrible at some point or another.

But that doesn't mean that what they do, big picture, is pointless.

Re: Google vs. the Open Web

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Post by lancesells »

exceptione wrote: post #81
supriyo-biswas wrote: post #18

I mentioned this in the other WEI thread and I’ll do it here again: Instead of simply flailing our collective arms around complaining about an evil corporation, has anyone written to the respective competition authorities (such as the FTC in the US or CCI in India) about the potential anticompetitive effects of this proposal?

Trying to reach official authorities is a good idea. I will quote and extend part of my call to action I did in an other thread - ban Google all together in your personal life. No chrome and no excuses. Stop the bullshit or leave this profession. Use startpage, duckduck or whatever for searching. - develop with and for firefox and friends only, introduce usability problems for chrome - employ the same tactics as goog…

Also use robots.txt to block Google if you can afford to. I've blocked them (and everyone else) from everything but my homepage.

Re: Google vs. the Open Web

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Post by lancesells »

xur17 wrote: post #83
exceptione wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trying to reach official authorities is a good idea. I will quote and extend part of my call to action I did in an other thread - ban Google all together in your personal life. No chrome and no excuses. Stop the bullshit or leave this profession. Use startpage, duckduck or whatever for searching. - develop with and for firefox and friends only, introduce usability problems for chrome - employ the same tactics as goog…

> show a popup urging users to download firefox, provide a link to download or page with more explanation. Tell that you detected that their current chrome has security and privacy risks and that you recommend to take action immediately. Average user is easily scared into action. If I recall correctly, this was Google's approach with Chrome.

This is still Google's approach.

Re: Google vs. the Open Web

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Post by lancesells »

4oo4 wrote: post #129
supriyo-biswas wrote: post #18

I mentioned this in the other WEI thread and I’ll do it here again: Instead of simply flailing our collective arms around complaining about an evil corporation, has anyone written to the respective competition authorities (such as the FTC in the US or CCI in India) about the potential anticompetitive effects of this proposal?

My thoughts exactly. These GitHub protests, while emotionally satisfying, do not work. Google does not care and they are already drunk on monopolist power. Contact info for antitrust authorities: US: - https://www.ftc.gov/enforcement/report-antitrust-violation - antitrust@ftc.gov EU: - https://competition-policy.ec.europa.eu/antitrust/contact_en - comp-greffe-antitrust@ec.europa.eu UK: - https://www.gov.uk/guidance/t…

Please share your template.

Re: Google vs. the Open Web

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Post by zoomTo125 »

Daril wrote: post #41

This is a clear sign of Google's weakness. They are losing their monopoly and are desperately trying to hold on to the net. In the last few weeks, they have announced that they will try to block navigation if you have an ad blocker installed (for example, when watching a video on Youtube). Take a look at Fuchsia for another example ... they are losing the control on Android, so they started this new project ... it is…

Bromite is not maintained for a year. It is a bad idea to use it unless you're using the unofficial build.

Re: Google vs. the Open Web

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Post by teddyh »

Communitivity wrote: post #38

Another year closer to a Shadowrun future, minus the magic, where the most powerful corporations run everything, are more powerful than most nation states, and where your only allowed role in life is a consumer/corpse-servant for life (unless you want to risk the harsh penalties of being illegal and running the shadows). I think we will get to a PostCapitalist future. The decisions we make in the next 7 years will li…

> Another year closer to a Shadowrun future, minus the magic

The usual term for that is “cyberpunk dystopia”.

Re: Google vs. the Open Web

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Post by RunSet »

xur17 wrote: post #83
exceptione wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trying to reach official authorities is a good idea. I will quote and extend part of my call to action I did in an other thread - ban Google all together in your personal life. No chrome and no excuses. Stop the bullshit or leave this profession. Use startpage, duckduck or whatever for searching. - develop with and for firefox and friends only, introduce usability problems for chrome - employ the same tactics as goog…

> show a popup urging users to download firefox, provide a link to download or page with more explanation. Tell that you detected that their current chrome has security and privacy risks and that you recommend to take action immediately. Average user is easily scared into action. If I recall correctly, this was Google's approach with Chrome.

Google's approach with Chrome was to pay shareware developers to bundle it in the installer and expect users wouldn't opt-out.
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