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Re: Community Note correcting Musk’s anti-vax tweet mysteriously disappears

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Post by archagon »

pessimizer wrote: post #75
andersa wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was always about the right wing kind of free speech - free to harass and insult people, freedom from consequences.

> It was always about the right wing kind of free speech It was always about the kind of speech that was being banned. Movement Democrats like to think of themselves as left-wing, so everything that opposes their party becomes right-wing, including people to the left of them. Movement Democrats weren't being banned for spreading misinformation, they were being encouraged. > free to harass and insult people, freedom f…

One side was far more unruly than the other. (And still is.)

Re: Community Note correcting Musk’s anti-vax tweet mysteriously disappears

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Post by ramraj07 »

peter422 wrote: post #76
ramraj07 wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many if not most studies don’t clearly demarcate pre-omicron covid vs omicron. I’d love to know what the science is on myocarditis risk from just omicron is.

There have been numerous studies showing that omicron severity is very likely equivalent to prior strains. The decrease in serious illness is due to prior immunity and vaccination. Though it’s obviously a hard thing to prove either way. But certainly I do not think it should be assumed that omicron is inherently more mild.

Can you provide some citations? My understanding is that omicron and prior strains have fundamentally different effects especially wrt synctia formation.

Re: Community Note correcting Musk’s anti-vax tweet mysteriously disappears

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Post by fwjlwo »

pessimizer wrote: post #88

Exactly what was that note supposed to be correcting? Humor me. Musk made a very short statement with a single factual claim: "Myocarditis is a known side-effect [of a vaccine.]" The community note correcting it says that Covid causes more myocarditis than that covid vaccine. How is that a correction? It's a snarky verification.

Thank you for explaining that this "community notes" system is broken and only serves to harrass people. Now that your idol is the target you came to realize that.

Re: Community Note correcting Musk’s anti-vax tweet mysteriously disappears

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Post by TheCaptain4815 »

rvz wrote: post #48
pavel_lishin wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[citation needed]

Citation(s) given. [0] The Hunter Biden laptop story [1] was censored on Twitter and The NY Post had their accounts locked over the story and the Twitter CEO at the time admitted that it was a 'mistake'. EDIT: So there you have it. Even when I have given citations and substantiated them with links, I still get censored for it for no reason because it is true. Of course. Cannot begin to even reason with the folks here…

Don't forget about the sitting president of the united states being banned.

Re: Community Note correcting Musk’s anti-vax tweet mysteriously disappears

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Post by AlexandrB »

stickyricky wrote: post #30
manuelabeledo wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> ... significant economic coercision meets my definition of force Military members are vaccinated against a myriad of illnesses right after joining . They are also required to follow a bunch of rules, some of which severely restrict the practice of their first amendment rights. They weren't "forced", as much as they have to agree with the DoD rules to work for them.

We should at least acknowledge the "trolley" problem here. You have two bad choices: join the marines or live in poverty. The US has a "volunteer" force but "volunteer" is a stretched euphemism in my mind. There aren't many people with options "volunteering" for the marines. Obligatory "I'm pro vaccine".

By this logic people are also forced to work for Uber/Amazon/other exploitative employers of low-skill labor. This undermines many arguments against unionization, treating "gig" workers as employees, or in favour of "right to work" laws. Yet the political leanings of those opposed to vaccination are often anti-union, pro "right to work", etc. So this doesn't help illuminate what they mean by "forced", unless this is a framing used out of convenience to justify their opinion in this specific case.

Re: Community Note correcting Musk’s anti-vax tweet mysteriously disappears

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Post by manuelabeledo »

gadders wrote: post #89
manuelabeledo wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But if you can give people the virus whether vaccinated or not, there is functionally no difference in how much you were endangering people You are now suggesting that vaccines did not prevent severe illness, which is not true.

But that doesn't change whether you are endangering people by infecting them.

I'm not sure what you are trying to point out here.

Vaccinations were a matter of public health. Vaccines did not prevent infections, but they prevented severe illness.

The healthcare system was collapsing under the pressure from hundreds of thousands of patients suffering from severe illness. This would put any other people seeking for care at risk, since they could not get it.

Since vaccinations would prevent severe illness, that would alleviate the pressure on the system, thus making care available to people who otherwise wouldn't be able to get it.

It's not that hard to understand.

Re: Community Note correcting Musk’s anti-vax tweet mysteriously disappears

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Post by marcosdumay »

myhorsehasworms wrote: post #37

To be fair, that twitter context post is almost entirely useless. Comparing the risk of myocarditis from vaccines to the risk of myocarditis from actually getting covid is not a helpful comparison. Generally speaking, everyone is going to get covid whether you are vaxxed or unvaxxed. So the question is whether adding vaccines into the mix REDUCES the overall myocarditis risk or increases it. In other words (Covid inf…

I understood that the same way as you.

By itself, this carries a high "we found a link between green jelly beans and acne" flavor (xkcd/882). But even if it's not there, there are a lot of other complicating factors.

Those studies about myocarditis were important because they derived improvements on the procedure to apply intramuscular vaccines. But that improvement by itself is enough to invalidate any findings you will find on any such study from that time.

Re: Community Note correcting Musk’s anti-vax tweet mysteriously disappears

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #40
Ajedi32 wrote: post #4

Is there any actual evidence of foul play here? Could just be the note got enough bad ratings to stop being featured. Not that removing it would be entirely out of character for him, but Musk has gotten community notes applied to his Tweets before and always maintained that that was allowed and a good thing.

Removing it on Musk's orders wouldn't be foul play anyway. He owns the business. He can decide how it operates, including preferential treatment for himself.

But it would be hypocrisy. Which is great for stirring up a mob because people are rightly contemptuous of it, but then mobs don't always care for demanding strong evidence first, which can be a problem.

Re: Community Note correcting Musk’s anti-vax tweet mysteriously disappears

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Post by nonfamous »

caesil wrote: post #49
two_handfuls wrote: post #3

I’m surprised when I see people uncritically repeating the claim that Twitter now aims for “free speech.” It’s clear that was never true and always meant “Speech Elon wants to allow.”

I'm surprised when I see a comment ascribing this to Elon deleting things upvoted higher than the comments that explain this is a normal part of how Community Notes work for so-so notes.

I'm a member of Community Notes and while it's common for an unpublished note to be downranked by members, I have never before seen an example of a published note (visible to all Twitter/X users) later be withdrawn from visibility. In fact, I don't think there's even a process for Community Notes members to make that happen.

Re: Community Note correcting Musk’s anti-vax tweet mysteriously disappears

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Post by fit2rule »

andersa wrote: post #8
two_handfuls wrote: post #3

I’m surprised when I see people uncritically repeating the claim that Twitter now aims for “free speech.” It’s clear that was never true and always meant “Speech Elon wants to allow.”

It was always about the right wing kind of free speech - free to harass and insult people, freedom from consequences.

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