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As Actors Strike for AI Protections, Netflix Lists $900k AI Job

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Re: As Actors Strike for AI Protections, Netflix Lists $900k AI Job

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Post by bilekas »

tmpz22 wrote: post #58
thepasswordis wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How much money should Adam Sandler make?

Kylian Mbappe was recently offered $776 MILLION in salary for a 1-year deal as the highest paid soccer (football) player [1]. Jaylen Brown will be making $304 MILLION over 5 years for the Boston Celtics as the highest paid NBA player. Wealth inequality from predominantly ads-based (tv-deals) business models is a cancer to our society. [1]: https://frontofficesports.com/saudi-arabia-reportedly-offers...

While there is inequality in the world financially it's a bit off topic.

Mbape or any footballer for that matter isn't being replaced by the close to free option by clubs.

The actors union even offered a legitimate compromise where their likeness could be used once royalties are paid.

This is completely fair and mature approach. Netflix and co get to pump out more content faster and cheaper while the portraits of actors are paying the owner of that likeness.

Re: As Actors Strike for AI Protections, Netflix Lists $900k AI Job

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Post by 128bytes »

bamfly wrote: post #61
tw04 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Actors protesting AI protections remind me of factory workers protesting against automation setting in. And in hindsight: rightly so. Automation and outsourcing gutted the middle class in the US to the benefit of a handful of folks that didn't need anymore money. What's the end-game of automating every human job away if the spoils of that automation aren't shared widely?

The luddites lost, sure—but industrialization did make an absolute shit-ton of people miserable until the labor movement clawed back some of those productivity gains for the workers and curbed the worst abuses committed by capital. If we don't see another wave of reforms soon—which is sure to require labor action!—a whole bunch of folks are in for another rough time (stretching to entire lives, as it did last time) w…

i don't think a little syndicalism is going to cut it this time, because it's about a lot more than labor now

Re: As Actors Strike for AI Protections, Netflix Lists $900k AI Job

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Post by dv_dt »

thepasswordis wrote: post #41
covercash wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s a deal with him and his production company, Happy Madison. He’s not personally pocketing $250 million, and a portion of that will go toward paying actors, crew, and other staff. If any of the internet anecdotes are to be believed, he takes care of his employees.

How much money should Adam Sandler make?

This a question with maybe the wrong focus, as Adam Sandler has enough negotiating leverage as an actor and a producer himself to get a deal. In the context of the Actors and Writers strike, it the discussion should be what is the default deal that's fair for people who will dedicate a significant amount of their working time to the industry.

Re: As Actors Strike for AI Protections, Netflix Lists $900k AI Job

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Post by _5uxp »

lbotos wrote: post #71
tmpz22 wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kylian Mbappe was recently offered $776 MILLION in salary for a 1-year deal as the highest paid soccer (football) player [1]. Jaylen Brown will be making $304 MILLION over 5 years for the Boston Celtics as the highest paid NBA player. Wealth inequality from predominantly ads-based (tv-deals) business models is a cancer to our society. [1]: https://frontofficesports.com/saudi-arabia-reportedly-offers...

> Wealth inequality from predominantly ads-based (tv-deals) business models is a cancer to our society. How do you solve this? People want to pay attention, advertisers want a piece. They have $enough_profit_to_pay_for_ads, so they do.

U don't and masses are stupid. They elect thiefs, all over the world.

Re: As Actors Strike for AI Protections, Netflix Lists $900k AI Job

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

matwood wrote: post #31
sb8244 wrote: post #16

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Imagine that your likeness as an extra is sold for $250, used in future films via AI deep fake, and you never get paid again. That's my understanding of why they're striking.

That's a bit of it. The more immediate term is a studio who can feed in all the scripts they have ever received then have a single writer use an LLM and make more scripts. Eventually they wouldn't need a writer, just a person good at prompts. The problem is the writers have zero leverage. We just came out of a time of huge overspending on content where we all have thousands of hours we still haven't watched. Adding A…

Just to be clear, there are 2 different strikes, the writers' strike that you're referring to, and the actors' strike that the parent is referring to.

AI issues notwithstanding, I do think you make a valid point that over the past 10 years we just binged on a huge amount of content. For workers it's a double-edged sword. I read somewhere that there are actually a lot more members of the union (can't remember if it was writers or actors) than 5-6 years ago because there are just a lot more people working in the industry - a lot more content was being made. The downside is that with all this extra competition there is a glut of supply and thus prices (i.e. wages for actors and writers) have fallen pretty substantially.

Re: As Actors Strike for AI Protections, Netflix Lists $900k AI Job

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Post by ajkjk »

mucle6 wrote: post #69
tmpz22 wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kylian Mbappe was recently offered $776 MILLION in salary for a 1-year deal as the highest paid soccer (football) player [1]. Jaylen Brown will be making $304 MILLION over 5 years for the Boston Celtics as the highest paid NBA player. Wealth inequality from predominantly ads-based (tv-deals) business models is a cancer to our society. [1]: https://frontofficesports.com/saudi-arabia-reportedly-offers...

The economy is not zero sum, other people making large sums of money shouldn't make you upset. Those athletes are paid that much because the fans (customers) value them that much.

> other people making large sums of money shouldn't make you upset.

Why not? It clearly shows that there is a screw loose. Or put differently: it reminds us of the fundamental truth that in society, people without power get as little as is available to keep them alive and sometimes less, and people with power (in this case, the power of a good negotiating position) get as much as is available to pay them.

The world doesn't _have_ to work this way. There is no reason we need to be okay with it. Poorer people could be paid more and rich people paid less and things would basically work the same way.

Re: As Actors Strike for AI Protections, Netflix Lists $900k AI Job

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Post by SamuelAdams »

> Among the striking actors’ demands are protections against their scanned likeness being manipulated by AI without adequate compensation for the actors.

Ok, get a good lawyer and write that into any future contracts.

Obviously this will only work for household name actors, but for everyone else it really doesn’t matter. We can already generate faces that are unique [1]. All that remains is deep fake tech getting good enough to take an image like this and apply it to a 1-3 minute scene in a film.

Think of any scene that has many people in it - a bar, a classroom, etc. The audience’s attention is is usually only focused on the main characters, but you still need a lot of other people in the scene to make it feel authentic.

This tech will replace those people.

[1]: https://this-person-does-not-exist.com/en

Re: As Actors Strike for AI Protections, Netflix Lists $900k AI Job

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Post by angarg12 »

bjornlouser wrote: post #2

from the article: https://jobs.netflix.com/jobs/278437235 "... The overall market range for roles in this area of Netflix is typically $300,000 - $900,000. This market range is based on total compensation (vs. only base salary), which is in line with our compensation philosophy..."

Odd that no one is highlighting that the 900k salary quoted is almost certainly bogus.

Now companies are forced to disclose salary ranges in California. Some tech companies combat this by publishing unhelpfully broad salary ranges. Some people MIGHT make that much, but the vast majority still won't (not that it detracts from tech workers making a pretty penny).

Re: As Actors Strike for AI Protections, Netflix Lists $900k AI Job

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Post by roflyear »

sokoloff wrote: post #53
roflyear wrote: post #8

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I don't understand these responses. Are you trying to push the window to make people feel like it is unacceptable to be critical of a company's actions? What if I am a shareholder (I am, through ETFs) of Netflix and I disagree with this? Shouldn't I be allowed to discuss and criticize the action?

Even if you’re not a shareholder, you’re welcome to discuss and criticize the action with anyone who will listen.

I agree, if you're a shareholder you should feel obligated to - but everyone has the right to discuss whatever they want.
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