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Re: Google engineers want to make ad-blocking (near) impossible

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Post by mcpackieh »

lukas099 wrote: post #424
cmilton wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What should HN readers do that are forced to work within these ecosystems? Ex. Work, school. It’s not always so easy to walk away from an entire platform. People’s entire livelihoods could be based around Google. I don’t see any issue with Google owning some of this responsibility.

I don't think they were talking about people who are forced to use chrome.

Yes, the worst are the techies who should know better but insist on using chrome because "it feels slightly faster, therefore I have no choice but to use it." Such people pretending to be victims is complete nonsense.

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Post by detourdog »

liendolucas wrote: post #416
detourdog wrote: post #326

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is the danger of a fat paycheck.

I can't recall where I read it but the biggest danger with having a fat paycheck is that your lifestyle changes drastically. More money? Well, now you can do/afford more expensive things, you can take more luxuries, have a bigger place, a fancier car, and so on. And the problem comes when you have to cut back all that, you need a job that can support that lifestyle. I believe the best thing you can do if you have a f…

It is never about how much one makes it is always a matter of how much one spends.

Re: Google engineers want to make ad-blocking (near) impossible

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Post by mcpackieh »

dontlaugh wrote: post #138
k4rli wrote: post #3

Blaming the engineers themselves?

I that’s reasonable for war criminals, like the engineers at Raytheon, the CIA, most militaries, etc. Making the internet worse? That’s bad, but I’m not convinced it warrants the same reaction.

"At least I'm not a war criminal" - The Googler's Conceit.

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Post by capableweb »

Zambyte wrote: post #248
capableweb wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mozilla is two parts, the Mozilla Foundation and a subsidiary which is Mozilla Corporation. Neither of those are "funded" by Google. I'm guessing you're referring to the search partnership between the two? That doesn't mean that Google owns Mozilla, unless you're really unclear about what "partnership" or "deal" means. Mozilla have multiple deals with search engines, not just Google.

Okay. Call it what you want. Do you really think Firefox will hesitate to implement this, when considering the "partnership" they have with Google?

> Mozilla opposes this proposal because it contradicts our principles and vision for the Web.

https://github.com/mozilla/standards-positions/issues/852

I guess they would.

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Post by jsnell »

Brian_K_White wrote: post #405
jvolkman wrote: post #354

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And related: Apple already shipped attestation on the web, and we barely noticed - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36862494 - (530 points/1 day ago/398 comments)

As has been pointed out, Apple's captcha-skipper is rather different.

Where was that pointed out? To me it seems that they are not all that different on any level[0]. Not in terms of expressed goals, nor in terms of technical capabilities for capacity to exclude minority browsers or operating systems if misused. The only real difference was PATs being launched with a very specific PR spin of "fewer captchas".

[0] https://www.snellman.net/blog/archive/2023-07-25-web-integri...

Re: Google engineers want to make ad-blocking (near) impossible

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Post by 4oo4 »

Friendly reminder to don't just comment and complain, contact your antitrust authority today:

US:

- https://www.ftc.gov/enforcement/report-antitrust-violation

- antitrust@ftc.gov

EU:

- https://competition-policy.ec.europa.eu/antitrust/contact_en

- comp-greffe-antitrust@ec.europa.eu

UK:

- https://www.gov.uk/guidance/tell-the-cma-about-a-competition...

- general.enquiries@cma.gov.uk

India:

- https://www.cci.gov.in/antitrust/

- https://www.cci.gov.in/filing/atd

Canada:

- https://www.competitionbureau.gc.ca/eic/site/cb-bc.nsf/frm-e...

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Post by anthk »

nottorp wrote: post #151
FormulatedEdits wrote: post #95

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And if ad-blockers are considered illegitimate software? This would be entirely in line with financial incentives of the proposed attesters and even logically defensible (oh well, we haven’t vetted uBlock, so you can’t browse with that installed).

And if I want to use links on z80? And aside from niche platforms, do you want the 3 big companies to decide what you're allowed to see on the internet?

More like Links on a 486. If this happens, I won't use anything else but IRC, XMPP, NNTP, Gopher and Gemini.

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Post by michelb »

liendolucas wrote: post #143
tekla wrote: post #131

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They get paid lots of money.

But surely those folks can walk away and put in their CV that they quit because they were in charge of implementing one of the worst ideas the history of internet has seen so far. Wouldn't you hire someone that puts that in their resume?

They won't need to be hired again. Work a few years, retire without a care in the world.

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Post by _blz2 »

BLKNSLVR wrote: post #272
liendolucas wrote: post #116

Do you know what puzzles me most? How can software engineers work on something like this? Don't those paid engineers or involved ones have the balls or dignity to walk away? I'm just wondering how they would feel about this (if they feel anything at all). I mean, if I'd be in such a position and asked to push something like this I'd have walked away on the spot, no matter what you offer me. No one at Google is standi…

Fascists code too!

what has fascism got to do with ad blocking?
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