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Re: Community Note correcting Musk’s anti-vax tweet mysteriously disappears

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Post by manuelabeledo »

stickyricky wrote: post #30
manuelabeledo wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> ... significant economic coercision meets my definition of force Military members are vaccinated against a myriad of illnesses right after joining . They are also required to follow a bunch of rules, some of which severely restrict the practice of their first amendment rights. They weren't "forced", as much as they have to agree with the DoD rules to work for them.

We should at least acknowledge the "trolley" problem here. You have two bad choices: join the marines or live in poverty. The US has a "volunteer" force but "volunteer" is a stretched euphemism in my mind. There aren't many people with options "volunteering" for the marines. Obligatory "I'm pro vaccine".

> You have two bad choices: join the marines or live in poverty.

That's a loaded conundrum, but isn't this also true about pretty much any other job, especially in the US?

Re: Community Note correcting Musk’s anti-vax tweet mysteriously disappears

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Post by littlestymaar »

gadders wrote: post #31
nxx788 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And freedom to "censor" speech they don't like.

When did he do that?

Links to Mastodon, ElonJet, the day he banned a dozen of journalists[1], etc.

[1]: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/15/technology/twitter-suspen...

Re: Community Note correcting Musk’s anti-vax tweet mysteriously disappears

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Post by VancouverMan »

hombre_fatal wrote: post #32

Community notes regularly disappear. It mainly comes down to the bent of a person's followers since they will simply downrank a community note. I frequently see someone screencapping someone's tweet + the community note to go "haha pwned" but then I visit the tweet and the note is long gone. Also, a lot of notes are low quality and seemingly upvoted just because they counter the tweet at all.

The concept of a "community note" never made sense to me.

The "community" itself isn't really one entity with a coherent position on any particular matter. The "community" is just a byproduct of people coming together to engage in discussion.

If somebody wanted to try to refute what somebody else claimed, it should have been done at an individual level, through the existing discussion mechanisms (a reply, or a new tweet, or an off-Twitter article/video, and so on).

Re: Community Note correcting Musk’s anti-vax tweet mysteriously disappears

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Post by nxx788 »

gadders wrote: post #31
nxx788 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And freedom to "censor" speech they don't like.

When did he do that?

There are several instances of left wing folks being banned, he stated that "cis" will be disallowed on the platform, he's removed tweets at the behest of governments like the Saudis, and this post is literally about text disappearing, lol.

It's not hard to find instances.

Note, I think it's fine for companies to moderate speech on their platforms. No objections there. Just don't simultaneously claim you are some sort of free speech absolutist.

Re: Community Note correcting Musk’s anti-vax tweet mysteriously disappears

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Post by ramraj07 »

myhorsehasworms wrote: post #37

To be fair, that twitter context post is almost entirely useless. Comparing the risk of myocarditis from vaccines to the risk of myocarditis from actually getting covid is not a helpful comparison. Generally speaking, everyone is going to get covid whether you are vaxxed or unvaxxed. So the question is whether adding vaccines into the mix REDUCES the overall myocarditis risk or increases it. In other words (Covid inf…

Many if not most studies don’t clearly demarcate pre-omicron covid vs omicron. I’d love to know what the science is on myocarditis risk from just omicron is.

Re: Community Note correcting Musk’s anti-vax tweet mysteriously disappears

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Post by slily »

synecdoche wrote: post #46
senel wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Life is not just this or that. Life is also highly likely this or likely that. When you have a track record and make a lot of people have this image about you, many people will operate on highly likely’s or likely’s about you. Musk is no exception.

And who is the arbiter of what’s highly likely? You? I? Jumping to conclusions without evidence is lynch mentality. But maybe people are ok with that.

> But maybe people are ok with that.

Definitely true for many. Elon Musk is enemy number one since he disrupted social media. It is getting to the point that I have coworkers posting snide off-topic comments on internal chat throughout the day whenever he does something. All of his achievements are ascribed to luck, and every Twitter change is bad and attributed to his personal meddling. It's not entirely unwarranted considering there is some precedent, but the public hysteria is disproportionate for sure.

Re: Community Note correcting Musk’s anti-vax tweet mysteriously disappears

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Post by manuelabeledo »

gadders wrote: post #50
zzzeek wrote: post #36

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I'm forced to wear pants in public at all times. If I showed up to Thanksgiving with no pants, they'd ask me to leave and id never get invited again. Tyranny ! Everyone should be free to endanger everyone around them with a deadly crippling virus at all times.

The vaccine didn't stop transmission though so being vaccinated made no difference as to whether you were "endangering people" (you weren't, mostly) with a "deadly" (not unless morbidly obese or with other serious health issues) "crippling" (still unconfirmed) virus.

> ...being vaccinated made no difference as to whether you were "endangering people"

Those parroting this point forget to mention that hospitals across the country were collapsing because of COVID-19 patient admissions.

Re: Community Note correcting Musk’s anti-vax tweet mysteriously disappears

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Post by senel »

synecdoche wrote: post #46
senel wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Life is not just this or that. Life is also highly likely this or likely that. When you have a track record and make a lot of people have this image about you, many people will operate on highly likely’s or likely’s about you. Musk is no exception.

And who is the arbiter of what’s highly likely? You? I? Jumping to conclusions without evidence is lynch mentality. But maybe people are ok with that.

You, I and everyone else and when enough people operate on highly likely’s, we stop being as interested in the why. For good reason, too. People like Musk will expect us to look at each action with a clean pair of eyes, and use it to stall or confuse the masses.

I’m sure lynch mentality is more involved and includes other motivations such as wanting to kill somebody. You’re taking things a bit too far.

Re: Community Note correcting Musk’s anti-vax tweet mysteriously disappears

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Post by stickyricky »

mywittyname wrote: post #42
stickyricky wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We should at least acknowledge the "trolley" problem here. You have two bad choices: join the marines or live in poverty. The US has a "volunteer" force but "volunteer" is a stretched euphemism in my mind. There aren't many people with options "volunteering" for the marines. Obligatory "I'm pro vaccine".

Marines are the most prestigious branch of the military, by a huge margin. Plenty of people willingly join the Marines, specifically because they know they get to spend the rest of their life saying they're a Marine and with that comes (near universal) respect. The fact that the military lifts people out of poverty is a great thing. It's a damned hard life being in the military, especially if you make a career out of…

> a fair trade

That's exactly my point. You join the Marines and you get all of the benefits and drawbacks you enumerated. You don't and you get to live in poverty. I think that can be described as coercive.

To be clear, I'm not against the Marine corps or their vaccine policies. I just don't think coercion (even if it originates outside the Marine Corps) can be removed from _some_ people's choice to join.

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