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Unesco calls for global ban on smartphones in schools

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Re: Unesco calls for global ban on smartphones in schools

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Parents can't just get together and decide that their 14 year olds are going to be friends.

14 is way too late to start, so you are correct.

My parents had the same idea but instead of smart phone use, it was religion. It wasn't so successful for them.

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The smartphone is the greatest education tool in perhaps ever. All the world’s information available immediately on a handheld device. The stuff of magic. Taking this away from anyone, especially children who will benefit the most from this amazing resource, is tantamount to child abuse.

You have no idea what child abuse actually is.

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Germany, too. Very common to see very young children riding the U Bahn or S Bahn alone.

I remember being on a train in the Bavarian countryside and was puzzled when at one stop it was suddenly filled with 10-13 year olds. Then I realized the time made about sense for school to let out. They got off at the next few stops

This happens fairly frequently in Vancouver Canada, although it's not from regular school commuting (we do have special school busses), but rather from daycamps that find public transit to be the best solution vs. renting a private bus; but also — perhaps surprisingly — school field trips, which seem to often find "just get on a city bus" simpler to arrange than getting the public schoolbus system(?) to get drivers to work a special spot shift hauling kids to who-knows-where.

Re: Unesco calls for global ban on smartphones in schools

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I can speak of my case in Barcelona, I used to walk to schools since I was around 11-12. A 20 minutes walks in a pretty centric location, also took the seldom bus/metro to go there or visit some friend.

Okay, but presumably most school kids don't live in pretty centric locations.

Schools in Western countries have "catchment areas" — a Voronoi diagram, for each level of schooling, that clusters residences by which school is closest to them. If you're sending your child to public (rather than private) school in one of these countries, then your child is assigned to a school based on which catchment area your home falls into. You can't send your child to a school other than the closest one to you.

(Yes, this means that a large part of housing prices in these urban areas is driven by parents or soon-to-be-parents fighting over the housing that exists in the catchment areas of the best public schools.)

This is usually combined in civic planning with a "service radius" around the school, to decide when new schools are needed (vs. just expanding existing schools.) For rural areas, the service radius is defined by practicable bus pickup loops (you don't want a bus that takes an hour to get to the school); but in dense urban areas, that radius is usually defined by walkability — on little child-sized legs!

The combination of the concepts of "catchment area" + "service radius" means that if you live in a city in one of these countries, it's almost impossible that you're going to live somewhere where your child fundamentally cannot walk to school (purely in terms of distance.) Which is a major reason why everyone makes fun of people in cities in the US (which uses both of these concepts in most municipalities) for driving their kids to school, when that school is by law a distance away that the kid could walk.

(I know that the problem in the US often isn't the distance, but what's between the home and the school — dangerous major thoroughfares with no sidewalks cutting through neighbourhoods and the like. Which is still the US being dumb; just on a different level.)

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> Outright bans on smartphones in schools are no different from the video game, TV screen time Back then kids were not watching tv or playing video games in the middle of class. I remember when I was in school people were texting on their flip phones, I can't imagine the extent of distractions in school today. I used to pay attention in class only because there was nothing more entertaining to do. If I had a phone an…

> playing video games in the middle of class. Laughs in GameBoy. Seriously, you have to be elder gen x or older to exist in a time where handheld consoles of some flavor were not available. And there’s always been other forms of entertainment, be it passing notes, talking, or daydreaming.

No one in my schools brought anything like that because they get confiscated forever. It was a big deal and also came with additional punishment. I am firmly a millennial. Passing notes was rare too and if caught they would go to principals office. Now kids whip phones out and play and assault teachers who take their phone or record teachers and mock them and other students. It’s horrible.

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I grew up in a rural area and I was running off into the woods behind my house with my siblings at like age 4 or 5, no supervision required. The idea that a kid can't play in the woods by themselves is weird to me. Parents are definitely getting to helicoptering, I saw a group of 18 year olds decide they wanted to get pizza while at someone's house, and then decide to all call their parents to ask if it were okay (no…

Honestly, I don't know if it's a 'things were better in my day' sort of attitude, but it does seem like the helicopter parenting and bulldozer parenting is just everywhere all the time. It's the attitude that kids can't make mistakes, no matter what, and that any mistakes are a direct reflection on the parents. It's exhausting. I want my kid to mess up. I want him to fall out of a tree and break his arm. I want him t…

Warning: ill-formed rant below

I'm in my mid-30's and I feel like I've seen the change in my time. Some parents of kids my age were of the helicopter variety, but that was more of an exception.

Most parents I know now have kids that would have been considered stunted or even developmentally challenged when I was their kid's age. I don't know how to describe it except to say that they lack any sort of agency and act about half their age (this may say more about my expectations). I think there are a lot of factors that go into this, like having a 24/7 tether to your parents with a smartphone (and parents that encourage this), social media and news cycles that emphasize fear and anger (that affects both the parents and the child), the "safetyism" of post-Columbine-and-9/11 America, growing authoritarianism across the political spectrum, slight deviations from behavioral norms being medicalized and requiring adjustment, and children generally being deprived of autonomy and responsibility at nearly every opportunity by removing almost any potential for things to go wrong or get difficult (IMO, dealing with these situations may be the fundamental life skill).

Most kids these days have no grit and they shut down at the slightest whiff of adversity, it's like learned helplessness, except I don't think they ever learned to help themselves in the first place because their parents prevented it. They need some sort of authority figure and to be told what they're supposed to do, think, and feel.

I know some people in my age group that are like this. They had helicopter parents, and it's like they completely stopped developing as a person in their teens. They practically can't wipe their own ass without calling their parents and asking how.

Re: Unesco calls for global ban on smartphones in schools

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A family friend is a teacher and she talks about how the kids just play with their phones the whole time. They don't pay attention and she's not allowed to do anything about it. I don't understand how we got to the point where teachers have zero authority.

I don't understand why phones can't be put in lockers. If you really need to use the phone for an emergency, you could get a pass. And in the past isn't that what the office was for?

Re: Unesco calls for global ban on smartphones in schools

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yeah.. definitely no mass female groping problems.. hell even guys are being groped nowadays from what ive been told

While that is unfortunate, it's not an argument against mass transit in general.

It's an argument against school-aged children riding mass transit unsupervised.

Re: Unesco calls for global ban on smartphones in schools

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My kid just graduated from a NYC high school that had a complete ban on phones in school. The kids checked in their phones at the front desk on the way in and got them back when leaving. It was by no means watertight -- many (most?) kids had a "burner" phone that was dead or broken or whatever that they turned in (because nobody would believe a highschooler who said they didn't have their phone with them lol) and the…

Did 12 year olds take the subway to school 20, 30 years ago? (Genuinely asking, never lived in a place with a subway, but took the bus all the time at that age.)

20 or 30 years ago, there were pay phones everywhere. I might not have carried a phone in middle school, but I did carry quarters that I could use to call my parents if anything ever went seriously sideways.

Re: Unesco calls for global ban on smartphones in schools

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It's like prohibition, the forbidden fruit. Denial will only increase the want. It's better to teach moderation early than it is to try to curb the want for 7+ years. My kid has had an iPad from age 1 or so, with kiosk mode enabled and a baby game that made funny noises when they slapped the screen. They got a phone at age 7, just before starting first grade. No Youtube, no TikTok and screen time enforced per categor…

That really doesn't sound healthy. Babies need real interaction, they don't need to slap a screen and make funny noises. Screens are flat, they have no texture. Sadly, babies which are underexposed to stimuli often display developmental delays compared to peers.

You're commenting as if the iPad was the only source of stimulation and the poor baby lived in a white cube of flat nothingness with nothing but a locked down tablet for company :D
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