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Unesco calls for global ban on smartphones in schools

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Re: Unesco calls for global ban on smartphones in schools

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post #6

How about teaching kids self control and concentration?

Exactly. That's why I made my kids chain-smoke cigarettes for a month, then told them they couldn't have any more, but kept a pack in the open on the kitchen table.

Gotta teach self-control.

Re: Unesco calls for global ban on smartphones in schools

#132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't tell about NYC, but they certainly did in Europe and still do. It's probably not too common though, most of kids have school close to their home.

What does close mean? So close that they can walk there instead of using the subway?

I can speak of my case in Barcelona, I used to walk to schools since I was around 11-12. A 20 minutes walks in a pretty centric location, also took the seldom bus/metro to go there or visit some friend.

Re: Unesco calls for global ban on smartphones in schools

#133
post #119

In the workplace you have BYOD, bring your own device. But in order to access the services needed at your workplace, you need to install MS Intune and similar, which basically give your workplace limited admin access, they can remotely wipe your device, set stronger pin requirements etc. Perhaps something similar should be made available for schools. So the school can limit use of the phone without putting the phone…

> they can remotely wipe your device That seems like a no-go. What are they wiping, exactly?

Everything, as far as I know. But I have not heard it being used where I work. But it comes with the permissions you grant.

Re: Unesco calls for global ban on smartphones in schools

#134

Phones should've never been allowed in school to begin with

Anyone downvoting: talk to some teachers. Maybe start with junior high teachers and see if you can even stand moving up the grades. Your skin'll be crawling in no time.

If you don't share this view, you don't know what's going on. That's all there is to it.

Re: Unesco calls for global ban on smartphones in schools

#135
post #75

Going against HN's usual anti-smartphone thing, I think this is incredibly dumb. Luckily no one really cares much about what UNESCO calls for. Outright bans on smartphones in schools are no different from the video game, TV screen time, "kids will only play games on computers" and other related superstitions that were in vogue back in the early 2000s. All they did was make parents feel validated (without having to pu…

Stop making teachers jobs harder. They are overworked and underpaid as is, and now asking them to fight for attention with a kids smartphone in class just creates a hostile adversarial relationship with their students, that harms the learning process. An outright ban will make their job easier.

If I was a teacher, it would be inconceivable that I could not confiscate anything that is distracting my student's attention. They could have their items back after class, but there is simply no place for such distractions in the classroom. That said, I'm opposed to federal level involvement.

Re: Unesco calls for global ban on smartphones in schools

#136
I wish education went the other way, focusing on integrating educational tools to adapt to a world where everyone has access to the world's full repertoire of knowledge at all times. Teach kids to integrate these powerful tools as part of their learning and problem solving skills. By the time a kid is out of high school they should have a powerful index of knowledge accessible from all devices to help them tackle complex problems.

I was always resentful in high school when teachers said you wouldn't have access to informational charts or calculators in the real world. At that time I considered my integration with some electronic devices an extension of myself and an external index, it was like having a bunch of additional limbs for problem solving. Not having access to my tech devices was equivalent to being artificially lobotomized. And kids growing up will have access to even more powerful tools thanks to LLMs.

Societies that adapt and integrate tech devices as part of the educational experience will have a competitive advantage in the long run.

Re: Unesco calls for global ban on smartphones in schools

#137
This headline appears to be bullshit. The report does not recommend banning smartphones. This is what it actually says:

"Banning technology from schools can be legitimate if technology integration does not improve learning or if it worsens student well-being. Yet, working with technology in schools, and the accompanying risks, may require something more than banning. First, policies should be clear on what is and is not permitted in schools. Students cannot be punished if there is no clarity or transparency on their required behaviour. Decisions in these areas need conversations supported by sound evidence and involve all those with a stake in students’ learning. Second, there should be clarity on the role these new technologies play in learning and on their responsible use by and within schools. Third, students need to learn the risks and opportunities that come with technology, develop critical skills, and understand to live with and without technology. Shielding students from new and innovative technology can put them at a disadvantage. It is important to look at these issues with an eye on the future and be ready to adjust and adapt as the world changes."

Re: Unesco calls for global ban on smartphones in schools

#138
post #60

Going against HN's usual anti-smartphone thing, I think this is incredibly dumb. Luckily no one really cares much about what UNESCO calls for. Outright bans on smartphones in schools are no different from the video game, TV screen time, "kids will only play games on computers" and other related superstitions that were in vogue back in the early 2000s. All they did was make parents feel validated (without having to pu…

> Outright bans on smartphones in schools are no different from the video game, TV screen time The distinction is that tvs and video games are indeed banned in school. Banning smart phone usage outright is different from banning smart phones in school.

That's not a meaningful argument, the excuse for having parents place absurd limits on screen time and video games was the same as with smartphones in schools, that they're distracting and addictive, would affect academic performance, and would affect kids in the classroom because they'd be talking about their TV shows and video games or thinking about watching/playing them during class.

It only feels different to you because you have the benefit of hindsight on one of them but not the other.

Re: Unesco calls for global ban on smartphones in schools

#139
post #65
post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is exactly how we fought the war on drugs! I'm sure it will go great!

It's sad how addiction implies "be more tolerating because it'll happen anyways and be worse if you aren't", though. I'm not saying that addicted people should just be thrown aside. At the same time, since addiction implies an altered mental state like insanity, addicted people are clearly a burden to society that can't be reasoned with. In general, people have their circumstances that lead them to do what they do, b…

But it’s not "happening anyway", most people take drugs just fine without getting addicted. It’s when you are in a lousy situation and you take them regularly as an escape that you have a problem.

Re: Unesco calls for global ban on smartphones in schools

#140

There is an ugly trend here. We want to protect children from exploitation, so we make artificial learning environments where kids interact with each other instead of adults and perform often silly exercises instead of actually participating in the creation of value. Now we want to protect kids by removing their capacity to communicate and organize socially. Protecting children is a noble goal, but it may be possible…

Adults have been fine with the Lord of the Flies tendencies of adolescent education. But now smartphones are ruining everything? I don’t have children let alone teenage ones so maybe I shouldn’t have an opinion on this, but it seems that we adults complain way too much about teenagers and almost never consider that maybe we have structured their lives in a way that isn’t great for them. Singling out smartphones or bi…

I agree that the education system (at least in the US) is chafing at times. I had an idea about more freeform education paths with plenty of time for sports or whatever. I seriously doubt someone interested in a subject needs the better part of an hour for five days a week to learn it well. Not for high school topics, at least. Maybe boarding schools? Don't ask me about the logistics. Smartphone (social media, really) addiction is still a problem, though.
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