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Unesco calls for global ban on smartphones in schools

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Re: Unesco calls for global ban on smartphones in schools

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Another thing to think about is how these things obliterate creativity - In school If I was bored I would doodle in the back of my notebooks during class. Drawings of things, places, trying to do nature scenes. But mostly drawings of machinery, robots and electronics nonsense. Towards senor year when I learned some programming it was code. Those little ephemera works feel important - exercises of the mind, creativity…

It's not that they obliterate creativity, it's that they shape it in one or two very specific ways. Let me tell a story with some background as an example: Our rule in our family is that smart devices are a reward; finish your chores, get x number of minutes on tablet; do a good dead unasked get x number of minutes on tablet, that sort of thing. The one major difference in our family is that all smart devices (save f…

> The kids who have constant access to smart devices played as if they were in fortnight or some other videogame and were narrating their experience/acting like a streamer in more and more outrageous ways to get attention from their friends.

Not much difference than pretending to be the thunder cats or GI Joe when I was a kid. But the whole shouting for attention thing is disturbing. Someone here once pointed out that kids emulating influencers is giving kids the same mental issues that hollywood actors have from maintaining social images. It's disturbing.

Re: Unesco calls for global ban on smartphones in schools

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Going against HN's usual anti-smartphone thing, I think this is incredibly dumb. Luckily no one really cares much about what UNESCO calls for. Outright bans on smartphones in schools are no different from the video game, TV screen time, "kids will only play games on computers" and other related superstitions that were in vogue back in the early 2000s. All they did was make parents feel validated (without having to pu…

I'm with you on this. I can understand controlling the use of phones during class because it's disrespectful for the teachers work, but a complete ban is just dumb and seems like virtue signalling. If this is a problem for you as a parent, you have the choice of not buying your kid the phone in the first place, or not letting him take it to school. I thinks that any rule or law that takes away from the parents the responsibility of educating a child is probably not good for the kid.

Also specially in the US with all the school shootings, banning kids from having phones that allow them to call for help seems like a really bad idea.

Re: Unesco calls for global ban on smartphones in schools

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Not sure about you guys, but I plan to not give my kids a phone until they reach at least the age of 14 (7 and 3 atm) Is this realistic? Any experiences?

I have had coworkers who wanted to stick with a dumb phone. It sounds great to give junior a dumb phone until they're "old enough", but not much communication happens via sms. It's all done in other apps. Your kids will be excluded from a lot of conversations and events. They will feel ostricized socially and will inevitably be frustrated at you because of it. Having no phone versus a dumb phone would make the resent…

Frustration and resentment against his parents is part of being a teenager and a learning process. Trying to save them from that is both naive and impossible.

Re: Unesco calls for global ban on smartphones in schools

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I think the next logical step would be to find a community of like-minded parents and set those kids up to be friends.

Parents can't just get together and decide that their 14 year olds are going to be friends.

They've done that to decide that their babies are going to become a married couple for centuries! I jest, I jest....

Re: Unesco calls for global ban on smartphones in schools

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Turning red is accurate /verified. The only place I’ve personally witnessed wide spread mass transit use for youth in school is Japan. Totally normal and feels safe.

yeah.. definitely no mass female groping problems.. hell even guys are being groped nowadays from what ive been told

While that is unfortunate, it's not an argument against mass transit in general.

Re: Unesco calls for global ban on smartphones in schools

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I support this completely. I would go the extra step of not making internet capable phones accessible to under 14 year olds in general.

The parental controls on Google devices are pretty darned good. I can't see their raw browser history, but I can see what apps are installed and how much they're used, control screen-time, bed-time, ban/grant app permissions on a per-app basis, etc. Blanket banning smartphones from kids is overkill when there are tools available to enforce responsible use.

Re: Unesco calls for global ban on smartphones in schools

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post #119

In the workplace you have BYOD, bring your own device. But in order to access the services needed at your workplace, you need to install MS Intune and similar, which basically give your workplace limited admin access, they can remotely wipe your device, set stronger pin requirements etc. Perhaps something similar should be made available for schools. So the school can limit use of the phone without putting the phone…

> they can remotely wipe your device

That seems like a no-go. What are they wiping, exactly?

Re: Unesco calls for global ban on smartphones in schools

#128
post #95

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Turning red is accurate /verified. The only place I’ve personally witnessed wide spread mass transit use for youth in school is Japan. Totally normal and feels safe.

yeah.. definitely no mass female groping problems.. hell even guys are being groped nowadays from what ive been told

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Re: Unesco calls for global ban on smartphones in schools

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post #8

Not sure about you guys, but I plan to not give my kids a phone until they reach at least the age of 14 (7 and 3 atm) Is this realistic? Any experiences?

The social pressure starts around 9 and just gets worse. I just don't care if "everybody else has one". But to the kids its really important to "fit in". Up to you to teach them that keeping up with the Jones' kids isn't necessary. I feel it has been good for my kids to not have phones until teens when they might legitimately need one. Once my we got a phone for my daughter it came with a dose of lecturing about data collection and the permanence of posting anything online.

Re: Unesco calls for global ban on smartphones in schools

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> playing video games in the middle of class. Laughs in GameBoy. Seriously, you have to be elder gen x or older to exist in a time where handheld consoles of some flavor were not available. And there’s always been other forms of entertainment, be it passing notes, talking, or daydreaming.

> Laughs in GameBoy. Gameboys just weren't very common. I grew up in a pretty well off area, and I only knew a couple of people with them. Whereas, I wouldn't be surprised if more than 90% of teens have smart phones.

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