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Google is already pushing WEI into Chromium

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Re: Google is already pushing WEI into Chromium

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Post by cliffy »

zeteo wrote: post #100
c0l0 wrote: post #5

I feel like I have to repeat this, since so much is at stake here, where it is about the preservation of the web as we know it today, at the peril of having it turned into yet another walled garden: The only way around the dystopia this will lead to is to constantly and relentlessly shame and even harass all those involved in helping create it. The scolding in the issue tracker of that wretched "project" shall flow l…

It won't do anything. You don't think they've anticipated random angry outbursts going into this? Plus, the people you're harassing are simply implementing a policy that they don't have the power to change. The only pressure that Google has been shown to consistently respond to is political . Get a couple of senators (... of the right party) to send them a mild rebuke and they will indeed retreat a little (... and tr…

I was just following orders!

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Post by yyyk »

coldpie wrote: post #139
mozball wrote: post #26

If this isn't the straw that breaks the camel's back, there is never going to be one. Google needs to be broken up. They own the browser market. They own the web (through Adwords). They own Search. They own mobile. They own most of the video sharing market with 2.5 billion monthly annual users. They own a good chunk of email with 1.2 billion monthly annual users. They have amassed an incomprehensible amount of power…

> Google needs to be broken up. To make it explicit: the only way this happens is by Americans voting for it. The FTC has been more active on anti-trust issues in the past two years than at any time in the past 30. That's a direct result of the 2020 election. Elections matter.

>The FTC has been more active on anti-trust issues in the past two years than at any time in the past 30.... That's a direct result of the 2020 election.

Active against Google though? Remember, Google can help a certain political party in tough times (e.g. rollout of healthcare.gov).

Re: Google is already pushing WEI into Chromium

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Post by xyzal »

csomar wrote: post #12
ailef wrote: post #4

Can somebody explain what are the practical implications of this?

You'll need an "approved" browser and potentially "approved" hardware to access the web. Since Cloudflare is on this too, most of the web will be locked for anyone who doesn't use mainstream hardware.

This needs to get to the European Parliament, we need legislation to protect web interoperability ASAP.

Re: Google is already pushing WEI into Chromium

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Post by JeremyNT »

unmole wrote: post #88
ep103 wrote: post #34

And also, to switch back to Firefox

And what happens when website owners decide supporting Firefox is not worth it?

The best time to switch back to Firefox was 10 years ago.

The second best time is today.

Maybe it's too late, maybe it's not, but it's literally the only option we have if we want an open web.

At this point, anybody who runs Chromium is just enabling Google and has become part of the problem.

Re: Google is already pushing WEI into Chromium

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Post by Pannoniae »

This proposal is just so throughly user-hostile that it's impossible to criticise it based on technical grounds. It's not a bad proposal, it's a dangerous, evil and malicious one, so criticising it in details is futile. The whole thing in itself is evil, and it needs to be thrown out. Quietly protesting won't work this time, the goal is to kick up a huge fuss which gets the attention of governments, regulatory bodies and start antitrust proceedings.

Excuse my french but Google can fuck off with their censorship and "reminder to be civil". They have truly gone mask off, with the Code of Conducts not reinforcing good practice and a welcoming environment, but just a tool used to suppress dissent.

I've switched to Firefox and I'd recommend everyone else to do so.

Re: Google is already pushing WEI into Chromium

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Post by ChatGTP »

idlewords wrote: post #206
encody wrote: post #186

It's small, but here's a real actionable item that you can do to help: Put a gentle "Use Firefox" (or any other non-Chromium-based browser) message on your website. It doesn't have to be in-your-face, just something small. I've taken my own advice and added it to my own website: https://geeklaunch.io/ (It only appears on Chromium-based browsers.) We can slowly turn the tide, little by little.

This advice has strong 1998 vibes.

Yes, put it right near the "Under Construction" gif.

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Post by lnxg33k1 »

scarface_74 wrote: post #59
mozball wrote: post #26

If this isn't the straw that breaks the camel's back, there is never going to be one. Google needs to be broken up. They own the browser market. They own the web (through Adwords). They own Search. They own mobile. They own most of the video sharing market with 2.5 billion monthly annual users. They own a good chunk of email with 1.2 billion monthly annual users. They have amassed an incomprehensible amount of power…

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I don't have a Google account and don't use any Google service, still think that this libertarian message is bullshit, how do you do the free will if the web starts deciding which OS/Browser are authorised to do something? I am not sure we are talking about free will or useful idiots

Re: Google is already pushing WEI into Chromium

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Post by rchaud »

mozball wrote: post #128
scarface_74 wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Google Search is notably absent in your list. If this proposal becomes standard in Chrome, You can be sure Microsoft and Apple will follow Google's lead with the same or their own similar implementations. See Microsoft Pluton and Apple's Private Access Tokens. Or read this article which provides an excellent overview of these developments. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32282305 Make no mistake. If this becomes…

Youtube is absent as well. Maybe OP is not as de-Googled as they think.

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Post by gamache »

bee_rider wrote: post #111
PedroBatista wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who has been mismanaged for at least a decade and depends on Google to pay their bills.. I'm a FF user since the early 00's and Firefox will mostly not go away because Google has an interest in using it against monopoly accusations but the reality is bleak.. And the reality is these people ( Google in this case ) are so far removed from any moral compass about the Web ( at least what most people here think of "the We…

I hear Firefox is mismanaged all the time, but it seems to be a perfectly fine browser for the most part. I hear all about sites that won’t render in comments on this website, but they must all be internal tools or something because I never encounter them.

The Mozilla Foundation is arguably mismanaged. Firefox does ok, but could go further if the Foundation invested more in FF development and less on… other things.

Re: Google is already pushing WEI into Chromium

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Post by Mountain_Skies »

c0l0 wrote: post #5

I feel like I have to repeat this, since so much is at stake here, where it is about the preservation of the web as we know it today, at the peril of having it turned into yet another walled garden: The only way around the dystopia this will lead to is to constantly and relentlessly shame and even harass all those involved in helping create it. The scolding in the issue tracker of that wretched "project" shall flow l…

All they'll have to do is make a pronouncement of support for some trendy social issue and everything will be forgiven and forgotten. Virtue signaling has turned into the most effective corporate tool for manipulating society into allowing corporations to do almost anything they want. And the public's addiction is so strong that even when this is pointed out and agreed that it is happening, the addiction still must be fed, so corporate sociopathic parasitism on society continues with the joyous approval of society in general.
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