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Re: Google engineers want to make ad-blocking (near) impossible

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The latest, tone-deaf response from a Google engineer: https://github.com/RupertBenWiser/Web-Environment-Integrity/...

On Friday:

> I’m giving everyone a heads up that I’m limiting comments to contributors over the weekend so that I can try to take a breath away from GitHub. I will reopen them after the weekend

After the weekend - leaves long comment but doesn't reopen comments as promised.

Re: Google engineers want to make ad-blocking (near) impossible

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Do you know what puzzles me most? How can software engineers work on something like this? Don't those paid engineers or involved ones have the balls or dignity to walk away? I'm just wondering how they would feel about this (if they feel anything at all). I mean, if I'd be in such a position and asked to push something like this I'd have walked away on the spot, no matter what you offer me. No one at Google is standi…

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Re: Google engineers want to make ad-blocking (near) impossible

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But surely those folks can walk away and put in their CV that they quit because they were in charge of implementing one of the worst ideas the history of internet has seen so far. Wouldn't you hire someone that puts that in their resume?

those will walk away, others will come and to them money would be absolute motivator. If there's a thing humans can invent/implement, without any regulation, it'll be implemented (and often even with regulation it may be implemented)

If only there was some form of labor organizing that could allow workers to keep their job while collectively opposing building horrific things like this.

Re: Google engineers want to make ad-blocking (near) impossible

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iirc remote attestation is reliant on hardware attestation, which means these websites will only run on authorized DRM-enforcing hardware and architectures. Only Intel, AMD, Qualcomm and the like. No open-source firmwares, architectures or hardware.

What attestation the website accepts entirely depends on the configuration. There's nothing in the spec that will prevent attestations for Linux computers. Linux already works perfectly fine with secure boot and such, I don't see why a signed bootloader starting a signed attestation engine wouldn't be trusted by third party websites. It'll kill open platforms like the rare open source RISC-V implementations, but for…

Linux computers with an approved boot chain and software environment. Gentoo users are out, as is anyone making a custom kernel.

Re: Google engineers want to make ad-blocking (near) impossible

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

those will walk away, others will come and to them money would be absolute motivator. If there's a thing humans can invent/implement, without any regulation, it'll be implemented (and often even with regulation it may be implemented)

If only there was some form of labor organizing that could allow workers to keep their job while collectively opposing building horrific things like this.

Why would the labor oppose building this? This makes their members tons of money.

Re: Google engineers want to make ad-blocking (near) impossible

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Do you know what puzzles me most? How can software engineers work on something like this? Don't those paid engineers or involved ones have the balls or dignity to walk away? I'm just wondering how they would feel about this (if they feel anything at all). I mean, if I'd be in such a position and asked to push something like this I'd have walked away on the spot, no matter what you offer me. No one at Google is standi…

That is the danger of a fat paycheck.

Re: Google engineers want to make ad-blocking (near) impossible

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Mozilla should really double down on Mozilla VPN. Judging by all the NordVPN ads on every major youtuber's video, the profit margins must be astronomical (or their business model must be suspicious). It should provide a good income stream for Mozilla. The entire space is shady and filled with dubious actors. It is just begging to be disrupted by a trustworthy organization. I can't think of a single candidate other th…

Don't Mozilla just resell Mulvad?

Yes. I don't know why though. I don't understand why they can't host and run their own OpenVPN instance. Or why MozillaVPN is only available in 30 countries (mine not included), 4 years after announcement. Or why i haven't seen a single ad for Mozilla VPN anywhere on the web other than in mozilla's homepage. Or what they are doing with their 800 million dollars in annual revenue.

Re: Google engineers want to make ad-blocking (near) impossible

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This is very simple, really: Any browser that implements this, I will not use. So any webpage that requires that API to be present, I will not be able to use. If your webpage requires this, I will not be a user of your website. It is really that simple.

A hobbyist I found that sells vintage computer replicas uses Wix to host his site. My older machines with an older Safari (OS has peaked, Safari version capped out on those devices) are apparently disallowed on Wix sites. "Your browser is too old..."

No doubt Wix is doing this for my own protection.

I can definitely see the majority of the web going in a similar direction.

Re: Google engineers want to make ad-blocking (near) impossible

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I hate to say it, but if you used Chrome to read this, then you're part of the problem. Awful stuff like this wouldn't stand a chance if Google didn't have such a near-monopoly position. For the sake of the open internet, please switch to a different browser. IMO, Firefox is best*, but even something chromium based is probably fine. Just not Google Chrome. * On desktop - Firefox is a bit weaker on Android, with an ex…

I would love to use Firefox, if it wasn't so persistently such an utterly slow piece of shit if you open more than a few tabs or use it much. Across every laptop I've ever owned and across every version of FF I've ever used, this has been the case despite all promises. So unless i'm haunted by some magical digital browser curse, Chrome at least performs rapidly, even for a tab hoarder like me. I barely use anything by Google knowingly, but with Chrome Firefox can fuck off in comparison if it can't simply perform at the basics of agile functionality.

Re: Google engineers want to make ad-blocking (near) impossible

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This is very simple, really: Any browser that implements this, I will not use. So any webpage that requires that API to be present, I will not be able to use. If your webpage requires this, I will not be a user of your website. It is really that simple.

Sounds great in theory but I'd suspect that you'd cave pretty soon after your bank adopts this (or whatever essential site/service you aren't considering is captured here).
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