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Any browser that implements this, I will not use.
So any webpage that requires that API to be present, I will not be able to use. If your webpage requires this, I will not be a user of your website.
It is really that simple.
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I agree, I use Firefox everywhere. But we must not forget the following: In 2011 Mozilla income was 85% derrived from Google, through the primary search engine deal. Around a billion was paid over three years as part of this deal at some point. Appearantly there was bidding by Microsoft for making Bing the default, which pushed up the pricing. So every time Mozilla speaks out against Google, it is a bit awkward, sinc…
> That is at least some small degree of insurance against potential freedom-limiting shenanigans by tech giants. Chromium being open source is a red herring. The web is a protocol between clients and servers, and having the ability to fork the client doesn't matter if all the servers ignore your fork and continue speaking the protocol dictated by the dominant client. You need to fork the entire protocol, which is to…
The latest, tone-deaf response from a Google engineer: https://github.com/RupertBenWiser/Web-Environment-Integrity/...
You have to be hopelessly naive to believe that the hold-back feature is going to be implemented as described, if at all, and not quietly removed when the outrage dies down. And even if it stays as described, the percentage will be low enough that those that fail attestation can be safely barraged with captchas or simply told to go away. (You can try browsing the web with TOR to get a taste of how you will be treated…
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I'm honestly (as in putting in multiple hours) trying to switch to Firefox every 4 to 5 months. I tried at least 4 times. I do the dance of migrating bookmarks, passwords, layout preferences, add-ons, workflows, setting up sync, installing on all Android and desktop devices ... and then i run into issues, try to fix some of them, research, then give up and go back to chrome and don't think about it anymore until anot…
What are these issues?
I have zero issues using FF everywhere. I used to have to use Chromium every couple months because some dumb website was pulling in a library that was using some non-industry-standard thing chromium did - and everything broke due to their utter lack of testing - but even that has died down. There is a newer trend where I have to disable uBlock every once in a while to complete a task, which is just as bad, but I rarely have to actually use another browser.
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Tell me you don't have a mortgage and kids without telling me
But my point is that you do have plenty options in the industry! For sure if you're in charge of something like this you can have a pretty decent job elsewhere. You sound as if those people have nowhere else to continue their careers... Am I wrong?
I hate to say it, but if you used Chrome to read this, then you're part of the problem. Awful stuff like this wouldn't stand a chance if Google didn't have such a near-monopoly position. For the sake of the open internet, please switch to a different browser. IMO, Firefox is best*, but even something chromium based is probably fine. Just not Google Chrome. * On desktop - Firefox is a bit weaker on Android, with an ex…
not sure how far using 'ungoogled-chromium' takes you though.
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They did. Then they lost it. You can't get that back.
What event are you referring to? Android? Chrome? Search?
One extremely small example from the last 60 minutes of my life is that many Google workspace products don't work very well in non-Chrome browsers. I have to switch from Firefox to Chrome whenever I call someone in Google Meet, because the system load is higher and some features are not supported (e.g. visual effects like background blurring). I'm skeptical that these features can't be done in Firefox, but when you try to use them you get a warning to use a supported browser.
I dug into this a little more and they have a page https://support.google.com/meet/answer/10058482?hl=en-GB&exp... which asks you to check for WebGL support, without a major performance caveat, and link to https://webglreport.com/?v=2
On Firefox on a M2 mac, I see "Major Performance Caveat: No".
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Normies used to use IE. Then their techier friends asked them if they have used FF or Chrome and they moved on. Don’t underestimate the impact of local experts on the choices of people who don’t care/have time to explore.
Because both were a lot faster than IE. Nowdays almost everyone uses Chrome, Safari or Edge. Because Firefox is rather slow given the current competitors, not because the others care more about privacy (Also because that's just what their devices come with)
Currently Firefox is faster than Chrome : https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36770883
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Even if you don't care about all that, Firefox is the faster browser. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36770883
Chrome feels faster though. I just switched back to it after using Firefox for the last year. Chrome on my work computer felt snappier than Firefox on my comparable spec personal machine.
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I think the person you are responding to would say that edge is just another chromium skin. It doesn't exactly relieve Google's monopoly on browser technology
It should fairly simple for MS to block this API (if they wish to).