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Google engineers want to make ad-blocking (near) impossible

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Re: Google engineers want to make ad-blocking (near) impossible

#131

Do you know what puzzles me most? How can software engineers work on something like this? Don't those paid engineers or involved ones have the balls or dignity to walk away? I'm just wondering how they would feel about this (if they feel anything at all). I mean, if I'd be in such a position and asked to push something like this I'd have walked away on the spot, no matter what you offer me. No one at Google is standi…

They get paid lots of money.

Re: Google engineers want to make ad-blocking (near) impossible

#132

I know ads is a huge business. I never click them. Who clicks on ads? Really? What segment of Internet users does?

If I do see something in an ad that interests me I make a point of accessing the advertiser’s site without interacting with the ad. Presumably this is still being tracked but I try, at least.

I want the overt metric of a site visit caused by the ad, and the per-click fee to the advertisement host, to be as obfuscated as possible (or ideally, non-existent).

Re: Google engineers want to make ad-blocking (near) impossible

#133

How does this prevent ad-blocking? If website you visits asks you to confirm that you are a human user from some 3rd party API isn't that same as requiring captcha? You can still have browser extensions that filter the ads away after the website sends you the final HTML, right?

>You can still have browser extensions Not if there's only one browser that you're allowed to use, and it's owned by the world's largest advertising company.

How can you prevent modifications of memory when the software is running on hardware I own?

Also what would be the benefit for other companies to agree to have their customers be vetted by Google run API that excludes portion of customers?

Re: Google engineers want to make ad-blocking (near) impossible

#135

I hate to say it, but if you used Chrome to read this, then you're part of the problem. Awful stuff like this wouldn't stand a chance if Google didn't have such a near-monopoly position. For the sake of the open internet, please switch to a different browser. IMO, Firefox is best*, but even something chromium based is probably fine. Just not Google Chrome. * On desktop - Firefox is a bit weaker on Android, with an ex…

> I hate to say it, but if you used Chrome to read this, then you're part of the problem. Victim blaming BS. Let's see who else is the problem. How about all those engineers who decided not to contribute to Firefox? Or all those website developers who didn't test their site in Firefox? Or hell, why not all those Mozilla engineers who didn't fix Firefox hard enough? Let's put the blame where it actually is. Google is…

Victim blaming is absolutely the correct approach here. Of course you shouldn't blame your grandma for using Chrome, but people on HN are a completely different audience. HN readers should be well aware of the damage Google is causing to the open internet, using Chrome is tantamount to supporting this effort.

Re: Google engineers want to make ad-blocking (near) impossible

#136

I hate to say it, but if you used Chrome to read this, then you're part of the problem. Awful stuff like this wouldn't stand a chance if Google didn't have such a near-monopoly position. For the sake of the open internet, please switch to a different browser. IMO, Firefox is best*, but even something chromium based is probably fine. Just not Google Chrome. * On desktop - Firefox is a bit weaker on Android, with an ex…

> I hate to say it, but if you used Chrome to read this, then you're part of the problem. Victim blaming BS. Let's see who else is the problem. How about all those engineers who decided not to contribute to Firefox? Or all those website developers who didn't test their site in Firefox? Or hell, why not all those Mozilla engineers who didn't fix Firefox hard enough? Let's put the blame where it actually is. Google is…

Firstly, the examples you gave are dissimilar; GP is pointing out a positive action (choosing a specific browser) while you're emphasizing negative ones (not doing specific things to contribute to Firefox). Secondly, they did not say that the user is to blame for the situation, merely that they are part of the problem, which is trivially true; Google would not be able to do what they are without a large number of people choosing their browser. Thirdly, the way to effect change through fora like this one is to identify what an audience, personally, can do and encouraging them to do that thing. People can choose what browser they use. They cannot meaningfully change Google's behavior.

Re: Google engineers want to make ad-blocking (near) impossible

#137

I hate to say it, but if you used Chrome to read this, then you're part of the problem. Awful stuff like this wouldn't stand a chance if Google didn't have such a near-monopoly position. For the sake of the open internet, please switch to a different browser. IMO, Firefox is best*, but even something chromium based is probably fine. Just not Google Chrome. * On desktop - Firefox is a bit weaker on Android, with an ex…

I used Brave. But I am considering a switch to the new DuckDuckGo browser, which I assume is just another Chromium browser.

Re: Google engineers want to make ad-blocking (near) impossible

#138
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Blaming the engineers themselves?

I that’s reasonable for war criminals, like the engineers at Raytheon, the CIA, most militaries, etc.

Making the internet worse? That’s bad, but I’m not convinced it warrants the same reaction.

Re: Google engineers want to make ad-blocking (near) impossible

#139
post #90

I hate to say it, but if you used Chrome to read this, then you're part of the problem. Awful stuff like this wouldn't stand a chance if Google didn't have such a near-monopoly position. For the sake of the open internet, please switch to a different browser. IMO, Firefox is best*, but even something chromium based is probably fine. Just not Google Chrome. * On desktop - Firefox is a bit weaker on Android, with an ex…

>Firefox is a bit weaker on Android, with an extemely limited set of extensions Definitely not with the Iceweasel fork. https://github.com/fork-maintainers/fenix

Yeah, I'm actually using Iceraven right now, I just didn't want to muddy up the point of that comment any further than I already had. Firefox is an easy recommendation on desktop but mobile needs a bit more nuance.

The point is that using anything that's not Google Chrome is better for the internet.

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