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Way ahead of its time: The Remote Lounge NYC (2013)

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Re: Way ahead of its time: The Remote Lounge NYC (2013)

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I know the source article had misspelled "its" and it's policy here to keep the original title, but can we change it to:

    Way ahead of [it's] time: The Remote Lounge NYC (docpop.org)
or

     Way ahead of it's [sic] time: The Remote Lounge NYC (docpop.org)
so it doesn't hurt readers' brains so much when they try to parse the sentence?

Re: Way ahead of its time: The Remote Lounge NYC (2013)

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Very cool. I wish I could have visited. I miss wacky theme bars like this. One of my favorite theme bars was a place in Mexico City called "Bang Bang" (closed down years ago). It was Stanley Kubrick themed. There were little black and white TVs everywhere playing weird stuff. Then in the back was a replica 2001: A Space Odyssey bedroom; from the end of the movie. With a glowing white floor. Many people would pile int…

Not too far from the Remote Lounge was a Clockwork Orange themed bar named Korova Milk Bar around the same time.

Re: Way ahead of its time: The Remote Lounge NYC (2013)

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Is there any way back (forward) to this sort of tech innocence?

I think the general concept has continued to circulate on the internet. Chat roullete was popular for a long time, https://chat.meatspac.es/ was a great niche for a while, omegle, etc, etc. But like Leo said in the video, these sorts of "experiments" are really sensitive to a critical mass, where they're super fun if you have > N people on the thing at the same time, and kinda weird if you have < N.

Re: Way ahead of its time: The Remote Lounge NYC (2013)

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The video by one of the creators (at the very bottom of the page) is super interesting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3i3db-QgHYE

I was too young for this when it happened, but it reminds me a bit of when randomized video chat sites (Chatroulette and others?) first got popular in ~2009. I was a senior in college at the time, and we'd have big house parties during which we'd sit a webcam on top of a TV in the living room and just let it run, connecting to random strangers. Fun and interesting dynamic as people milled around the party and had brief interactions with people from around the world.

Re: Way ahead of its time: The Remote Lounge NYC (2013)

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I actually was the sole developer who wrote all the software that “networked” the custom hardware together. This project was so ahead of its time and yet required some rather arcane programming knowledge. So much fun though. AMA!

Do you have access to the source code / would you be willing to share it?

Re: Way ahead of its time: The Remote Lounge NYC (2013)

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post #10

I actually was the sole developer who wrote all the software that “networked” the custom hardware together. This project was so ahead of its time and yet required some rather arcane programming knowledge. So much fun though. AMA!

Know of any comparably inspired venues in 2023?

Re: Way ahead of its time: The Remote Lounge NYC (2013)

#27

There is a misplaced apostrophe in the title.

I'm curious -- why the downvotes? Does someone think I'm incorrect?

The title here, to me, reads "Way ahead of it is time: The Remote Lounge NYC." I had to think about for a bit before I realized what was going on. I just thought someone might want to correct it.

Edit: I see it's wrong in the original, so we just keep it, I suppose.

Re: Way ahead of its time: The Remote Lounge NYC (2013)

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you give some details on the hardware? What was the image capture device?

Yep! First, here’s a video from the guy who developed all the hardware, Leo Fernekes. (He runs a great YouTube channel called Leo’s Bag of Tricks all about electronics and neat stuff you can do. Leo’s a genius.) Lots of details in here. https://youtu.be/3i3db-QgHYE

I love Leo's videos. Really top notch YouTube content.

Re: Way ahead of its time: The Remote Lounge NYC (2013)

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post #10

I actually was the sole developer who wrote all the software that “networked” the custom hardware together. This project was so ahead of its time and yet required some rather arcane programming knowledge. So much fun though. AMA!

How did they find you an pitch the project to you? You mentioned that the project required some rather arcane programming knowledge. Could you elaborate on this? What areas of programming did you have to delve into that might be considered out of the ordinary? Was there any discussion about privacy when you were implementing it? Were there any features or functionalities that you wanted to implement but couldn't due…

How they found me: When I was 18, I was hired by The Disinformation Company (disinfo.com, the subculture search engine, which presaged our now post-truth conspiracy-theory laden world, though now sadly a shadow of its former self) as their Director of Technology. (I was precocious.)

Disinfo had a cozy relationship with Razorfish, perhaps the biggest of the new breed of digital transformation consulting companies that emerged in the 90's. Razorfish was pretty insane back then — wildly smart and creative people working at the absolute forefront of technology, much of which now seems quaint and taken for granted.

As Razorfish rose and went public, it acquired a bunch of companies, one of which was Disinfo. I ended up becoming Director of Technology for RSUB, Razorfish's media division. Razorfish also acquired another company called Electrokinetics, which was all about hardware, and with whom we shared an office. I started hanging around the hardware guys, because, well, I loved hardware, and they were doing neat things like letting you SMS a soda machine to get a Coke. (This is 1999 — this was the stuff of technology demos of the future, not the real world).

When the Dotcom boom turned into the bust, one of the founders of Electrokinetics left to start Remote. I stayed in touch with them, heard about the project, started talking to them about it, one thing led to another, and I started working there!

Arcane knowledge: I was 21 at the time and had dropped out of computer science to work at a startup, so some of this was just being green, but some of it was also an utter lack of documentation. I was using Perl to write this server, because at the time everything was Perl. I had to read, write, and route data to over a hundred serial devices (our Cocktail Consoles) in a non-blocking fashion using DigiKey serial-to-IP converters. In effect, I was writing the basics of a networking stack (read packet, figure out where it was supposed to be sent, transform it if necessary, send it somewhere else) just over serial.

It wasn't really rocket science, it was just completely undocumented. And also solved by, well, IP networking. But we had to use serial, I was left with basically no books, terrible man pages, and random mentions of stuff in Usenet posts. Much of Linux's serial/tty subsystem was written very early on in the development of the kernel, made rock-solid, and promptly forgotten. What little documentation I could find was sparse and in relation to C functions or syscalls. Perl would then have a wrapper around it, and the wrapper wasn't well-documented nor was it exactly like the underlying call, so there was just a lot of trial and error as I figured out how to properly get the server to wait in a non-blocking way to get input from all of the different serial lines, figure out what to do with them, and write back to them, all in realtime.

Privacy: there was discussion, actually. We had a huge sign when you entered the bar that said something like, "There are hundreds of cameras in here and you agree that you have no expectation of privacy by entering." The whole point was to be a little voyeuristic, so it was very consciously not a private place.

Technical wishes: This is great question, I had to think about it for a bit. Amazingly, I don't think we had a lot of things we weren't able to do. We were able to take screen grabs and email them to people, so taking that a step further I suppose it would have been nice to be able to capture entire video streams instead of just still images, but the whole place had this Jetsons retro-future vibe to it, so some of the limitations were in line with the ethos of the place.

Re: Way ahead of its time: The Remote Lounge NYC (2013)

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post #10

I actually was the sole developer who wrote all the software that “networked” the custom hardware together. This project was so ahead of its time and yet required some rather arcane programming knowledge. So much fun though. AMA!

Can you give some details on the hardware? What was the image capture device?

Oh, the video capture device: because we had everything on analog CCTV, I had two analog TV tuner video capture cards in the server. Plain old 640x480 black and white analog video. When someone pressed the screen capture button on a Cocktail Console, I changed the channel on the video capture card to the appropriate channel, did a screen grab, and dumped the file in a folder on the server. People pressed it infrequently enough that two cards were fine to handle all the volume.

Every day I'd create a new mm-dd-yyyy folder for images to go to, and the Remote web site had a calendar on it. You could go to the site, click on the night you were there, see all the images captured by all people that night, and save your images if you felt like it.

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