After skimming the paper, it reads like a legitimate paper even though I have zero expertise in the area. That it is in Word instead of LaTeX makes it feel a bit less legitimate to me and they could of course always have some error in there setup. The most notable thing to me was that this was done in a thin film where structural defects are supposedly responsible for strain in the material which in turn enables the…
How much is latex used for papers outside of computer science? Medical researchers I know generally used word for their papers.
The first room-temperature ambient-pressure superconductor?
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#322One of the authors in a related paper[1] is Hyun-Tak Kim. He has many publications in peer-reviewed journals[2]. One even has > 1500 citations[3]. I can't tell if there is a catch anywhere, this seems pretty legitimate. Also, unlike some previous claims that required sophisticated setup to reproduce, this seems dead simple. I think we will hear from other researchers very soon. 1. Superconductor Pb10-xCux(PO4)6O show…
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#323The method to produce this material as described in the related paper [1] is fairly simple and could be done at home with a $200 home metal melting furnace from amazon and the precursors (which also seem to be fairly standard easy to obtain metals). If this is real, I'd expect some smart people from hackaday / youtube to reproduce this within weeks if not days. If this is real, it'll change society quickly and perman…
If the latter, it implies a cloth versus fibre topology, which forces an interesting rethink of many paradigms forced by the ductility of our present conductors.
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#324Earlier quoted context omitted.
Superconductors have a current limit above which they are no longer superconductors. It is possible that a room temperature superconductor could be created that has a limit too low to be of any practical use. It seems this is worth cautious excitement, but don't get too excited yet.
250mA at 25 Celsius, according to the paper
For comparison, high temperature superconductors (in this context high temperature means tens of degrees kelvin) like the recently rather revolutionary ReBCO has critical current values measured in hundreds of thousands of amps per square centimeter. That would be a factor of a million.
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#325Earlier quoted context omitted.
Superconductors are basically perfectly conductive wire. Wires that transfer 100% of power over arbitrary distances and that don't heat up. Obviously there are limits, you can't put arbitrary power over a hair thin filament but as long as you're under that limit you get perfect efficiency. MRI machines can be made a lot simpler as you no longer need to use liquid nitrogen to cool the superconductors. MRI machines cou…
What kind of energy density could we get using it for energy storage? Maybe it’s competitive with batteries if you don’t need any cooling?
Actually, not a lot. The are some very compelling uses of them for storing energy, but they are much more relevant for distribution grid stability and control than for raw energy storage.
There are people here are pushing some really non-compelling use cases (like long distance power distribution), but there are plenty of transformative ones.
(But the thing is that this one on the paper is much less useful than it could be. There is still some work on understanding why and fixing it.)
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#326Earlier quoted context omitted.
What material and setup could even fake that result?
Photoshop. On reality, you would need a good computer with a large set of sound emitters just outside of the screen and a huge lot of tries. It would be a project for a small team and many months of work. Or maybe a few transparent wires and less photoshop. I do think the easiest way to fake a video like that would be to use a cool superconductor and change the atmosphere so nobody notices its temperature.
The bits and pieces of this certainly look like little are being genuine, so the new question is what non-obvious mistake could they be making?
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#327>"In 2008, Gozar et al. reported hightemperature interface superconductivity between metallic and insulating copper oxides(39). The thinner the layer, the greater the stress-inducing effect, the greater the strain, which seems to be the higher the superconducting transition temperature. Therefore, we argue that the stress caused by temperature and pressure brings a minute structural distortion and strain, which create an electronic state for superconductivity."
Anyway, very interesting paper!
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#328The method to produce this material as described in the related paper [1] is fairly simple and could be done at home with a $200 home metal melting furnace from amazon and the precursors (which also seem to be fairly standard easy to obtain metals). If this is real, I'd expect some smart people from hackaday / youtube to reproduce this within weeks if not days. If this is real, it'll change society quickly and perman…
> it'll change society quickly True. > and permanently for the better. You can't know that.
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#329Can someone explain like I'm five why this is "huge if true"?
That resistance turns the energy that is being transmitted through the conductor into heat, essentially wasting it for useful purposes unless you're running a hair dryer or oven.
For instance, one of the reasons why power plants have to be near the cities they serve, aside from practical logistics, is that if you send electricity over power lines, you lose some of that electricity to the resistant line drop, the voltage decreases over time, and ultimately you could lose all of your usable power to heat.
However, that changes when superconductors come into play. Many power plants already use them for short distances where the heat is high and the line drop is also high, but if you replaced every power line in America with superconducting lines a power plant in Florida could sell extra spare power to Alaska with no loss between the two plants. (This is in theory, it is still likely that there would be losses where the lines are split and connected, but that would still be far less than the greater than 100% voltage loss over 7,000 miles of traditional copper lines that you would expect.)
Room temperature superconductors would provide many benefits aside from power transmission as well. Electric vehicles would be more efficient with power coils made from them, allowing more of the electricity from the batteries to be turned directly into vehicle movement.
Cell phones would heat up less with superconducting wires, losing less of their battery power to heat and lasting longer.
Computers would run longer. CPUs would heat up less, requiring less cooling to operate at higher speeds and less power to run closer to the atomic limit of processing.
If it is proven that this works, then we may be very close to the system by which superconductivity works, and solving that may allow for hundreds or thousands of compounds exhibiting superconductivity to be made for myriad applications, allowing for us to live closer to the way we tend to while being a bit greener in the process.
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#330Ohh ... this could actually be relatively big. From abstract: "The superconductivity of LK-99 originates from minute structural distortion by a slight volume shrinkage" There was previously research done investigating how changes in atomic structural alignment affect superconductivity (such as by cooling). I think researchers were trying to maintain the spacing that superconductors had while cool even when it was hea…
Is this the prior post you’re referencing? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36479776
They were thinking of stretching at a macro scale (like bending a bar of stuff), rather than essentially "stretching" at the chemical scale which is what I understand they did here. Super cool!