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Why did it take psychedelics so long to become popular?

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Re: Why did it take psychedelics so long to become popular?

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Post by Slava_Propanei »

lillecarl wrote: post #24
local_issues wrote: post #14

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Same - and this isn't discussed enough in Tech circles. I know a girl who's done acid 100 times, and she's pretty "off." Kind of like a record left in the sun for a bit. She's not dumb or anything, just a little sideways. Not in a good way either - in a "can't hold a job or relationship together" way.

People with ADHD are VERY overrepresented in substance use, and "Can't hold a job or relationship together" is an ADHD trait as well, maybe like me she enjoys being a bit whacked in the head by something to deal with the incredibly boring, mundane, slow-moving, uncreative reality most of us live in. Or acid fried her brain, but I'm sceptical.

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Re: Why did it take psychedelics so long to become popular?

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Post by _a_a_a_ »

LoganDark wrote: post #80
_a_a_a_ wrote: post #73

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> , but it also feels like it's being pumped way too hard as curing basically everything with little discussion of the side effects In every HN drug discussion someone always pops up with some claim like this "curing basically everything" and then when askeded to justify it, they go quiet. Informative discussion this isn't, it resembles an anti-drugs agenda being pushed (which in my mind is just as stupid as a pro-dr…

Usually this is hyperbole, I doubt that many people believe psychedelics are actually a cure-all. It's more like they just get hyped up a lot, because people who have been through the experience can tend to think very highly of it.

If I went through the threads I bet I could find a number of such claims of excessive goodness, not backed up by anything. It just feels dishonest, and worse, it unbalances a serious discussion we need to have.

Additionally, if those who have been through that experience and think so highly of it (as I have and do, not saying it is necessarily pleasant but it was very valuable), that would tend to be evidence that they might be a good thing. But do those same people to accept there might be a positive? :( Take a guess. We need to have the discussion, and people need to be able to change their minds. But it's just not happening.

Re: Why did it take psychedelics so long to become popular?

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Post by LoganDark »

_a_a_a_ wrote: post #82
LoganDark wrote: post #80

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Usually this is hyperbole, I doubt that many people believe psychedelics are actually a cure-all. It's more like they just get hyped up a lot, because people who have been through the experience can tend to think very highly of it.

If I went through the threads I bet I could find a number of such claims of excessive goodness, not backed up by anything. It just feels dishonest, and worse, it unbalances a serious discussion we need to have. Additionally, if those who have been through that experience and think so highly of it (as I have and do, not saying it is necessarily pleasant but it was very valuable), that would tend to be evidence that th…

> that would tend to be evidence that they might be a good thing

I had written a super long comment weighing the pros and cons of it but lost it because of a keyboard shortcut typo. In hindsight that's probably for the better...

I've used LSD about four times and don't regret anything, except for maybe making one of my friends feel really bad by having a breakdown in voice chat... the trip was still worth it in my opinion, but it still hurts a bit that I worried someone so much over it.

I hold the opinion that most people are right not to take psychedelics. I think there are still tons of people that could benefit from it, but only once they're actually ready to try it. I absolutely support legalizing them, and giving people the choice to try them. Maybe at a clinic, but importantly also at home.

My home is my safe space and my computer is where all my friends are, I wouldn't have wanted to do it in a clinical setting. And I definitely wouldn't have wanted to have to get a prescription for it.

Re: Why did it take psychedelics so long to become popular?

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Post by LoganDark »

_a_a_a_ wrote: post #74
ycombinete wrote: post #39

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This is something that can be googled, but personally Hallucinogen Persisting Perception Disorder (HPPD) is the one keeping me from ever trying them.

That's a new one to me, thanks. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallucinogen_persisting_percep... In a 2010 study of psychedelic users, 23.9%[verification needed] reported constant HPPD-like effects, though only 4.2% considered seeking treatment due to the severity.[58] In a 2022 double-blind, placebo-controlled study, 142 subjects received LSD, psilocybin, or both, reported no cases of HPPD, and up to 9.2% of the subj…

I had HPPD for around a week after my first LSD trip. Or maybe HPP, if it's not disordered? It was pleasant and positive. After a few more trips, it appears that now it comes back, even months later, but only if I don't sleep for too long. Makes it hard to sleep at that point because I won't want to go back to normal... hehe.

I learned my lesson when my digestive system noped out after being awake for 72 hours straight. First time in years I've ever nearly thrown up. Would not recommend.

Re: Why did it take psychedelics so long to become popular?

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Post by fknorangesite »

hcks wrote: post #60
throwawa14223 wrote: post #23

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Why is this being downvoted? Psychedelic users keep rambling about their substances alleged wonders but in real life every “acid enthusiast” I met is heavily dysfunctional in some way.

> Why is this being downvoted?

Because there aren't only downsides.

> every “acid enthusiast” I met is heavily dysfunctional in some way.

This is just the Toupée Fallacy, though: if you met a perfectly functional "acid enthusiast", how would you even know?

Re: Why did it take psychedelics so long to become popular?

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Post by _a_a_a_ »

LoganDark wrote: post #83
_a_a_a_ wrote: post #82

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If I went through the threads I bet I could find a number of such claims of excessive goodness, not backed up by anything. It just feels dishonest, and worse, it unbalances a serious discussion we need to have. Additionally, if those who have been through that experience and think so highly of it (as I have and do, not saying it is necessarily pleasant but it was very valuable), that would tend to be evidence that th…

> that would tend to be evidence that they might be a good thing I had written a super long comment weighing the pros and cons of it but lost it because of a keyboard shortcut typo. In hindsight that's probably for the better... I've used LSD about four times and don't regret anything, except for maybe making one of my friends feel really bad by having a breakdown in voice chat... the trip was still worth it in my op…

I strongly incline towards legalisation but I want a proper discussion based on evidence with those who hold a different viewpoint that I can learn from and bounced my ideas off, not simply attempt to shut down the discussion as happens here by some people, by any means they can.

> I think there are still tons of people that could benefit from it

That may well be true but-

> I hold the opinion that most people are right not to take psychedelics

- you seem to have just opposed what you said, and it sounds as if you're willing to make other adults' decisions for them, which deeply bothers me. Perhaps you meant something more nuanced.

Re: Why did it take psychedelics so long to become popular?

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Post by pier25 »

overboard2 wrote: post #46
pier25 wrote: post #10

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Even the popularization of the latin name Marijuana (Mary Jane) was to associate cannabis with latin American immigrants. In Spanish it's mostly called marihuana or mariguana.

Isn't Marijuana pronounced like "marihuana"?

In Spanish? Not at all. The J has a very strong sound.

Re: Why did it take psychedelics so long to become popular?

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Post by lillecarl »

slibhb wrote: post #51
solumunus wrote: post #33

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LSD is one of the most faked drugs by far. There are communities whose sole purpose is to find the real amongst the fake. It’s so bad that you’re more likely to get fake LSD than real… Cocaine is always somewhat contaminated but it’s comparatively very easy to get what people consider a quality product.

Is most LSD sold on dark web markets fake?

It is not, he's listening to the hippies that want the "real LSD". "real LSD" means weaker tabs, they weren't as strong back in the days, 200+ug gets you too high.

Re: Why did it take psychedelics so long to become popular?

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Post by lillecarl »

mtlmtlmtlmtl wrote: post #48
lillecarl wrote: post #29

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FUD. Just because you can't see the acid doesn't mean it's more likely to be "contaminated" or "something else". Coke on the other hand is essentially always mixed with something, and sometimes the dealer might squeeze in a bit of whatever to hook you on his product.

Oh there's plenty of dubious shit being sold as LSD. One of the most common has been 25I-NBOMe, which has the unfortunate ability to be lethal at a dose of a couple blotters(a fairly common dose for LSD).

If you're purchasing through a reputable marketplace from a seller with good reviews this won't happen, if you go on the streets maybe.

Re: Why did it take psychedelics so long to become popular?

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Post by LoganDark »

Modified3019 wrote: post #78
pkdpic wrote: post #34

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What are generally recognized as side effects?

Take shrooms for example Now, I’ve never seen any issues with microdoses and would have no problem suggesting such to anybody. In fact I’m a big fan of broadly studying and implementing them as medicine. But what I’ve unfortunately noticed as you go up into high doses (determining actual psilocybin is difficult per mass, but this is a decent reference: https://healingmaps.com/shrooms-dosage-information-guide/ ) you e…

This is probably going to sound ridiculous, but the risk of that happening is exactly why I'm interested in psychedelics. I'm autistic, and I was blessed with some really big pains in the ass, like being unable to lucid dream, having only dreams that mirror reality, and being unable to focus on my imagination even with my eyes closed (even the darkness is distracting). Mainly things relating to fantasy, and being unable to get enough of it to feel fulfilled. :/

As an example, I was wondering if taking psychedelics could teach my brain to be able to tell when something I'm seeing is not real, but after experiencing LSD I don't think that's really possible. Still completely stable and still know for a fact that reality is always real... which means I also "know for a fact" that a dream is "real" whenever I'm inside one. I can only tell dreams apart after they end, and can't even tell whether nested dreams were real or not after a false awakening... so I never really become lucid inside them.

> There may possibly be more subtle medically negative effects that could show up with chronic use, but I can’t really speak to that.

In my experience LSD causes significantly increased bloodflow to the head (for hopefully obvious reasons), chronic use could result in some more permanent cardiovascular changes related to this, but I don't even know how to start searching for a source on this.

(Oops. We just switched. I'm going to go ahead and post this comment that I assume Logan didn't get to submit... for more explanation see our HN profile bio. -Emily)

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