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Crucial system of ocean currents is collapsing; ‘affects everyone on the planet’

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Re: Crucial system of ocean currents is collapsing; ‘affects everyone on the planet’

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Post by mannykannot »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #8
candiodari wrote: post #3

Why does everything has to be put into the political view? If this ocean current is collapsing because of the current temperature anomaly, then it has happened. Nothing that any amount of CO2 limiting will do about it, because even the most optimistic IPCC projections with 100% adoption only say temperature will stabilize ~2060. That base-case is worse than the worst case considered in this paper. So this should be t…

Half want to believe it isn't happening so therefore we should do nothing, and it feels like the other half believes that because it's inevitable we should just accept we're doomed and do nothing because we're doomed anyways. We need to work to minimize the number of impacts like this one. We can't prevent this one, but we can prevent the next one.

I feel there is considerable overlap between the people who once said "ignore the science! global warming is a fallacy!" and those who are now saying "follow the science! it's too late to do anything!"

Re: Crucial system of ocean currents is collapsing; ‘affects everyone on the planet’

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Post by Supermancho »

deadeye wrote: post #12
candiodari wrote: post #3

Why does everything has to be put into the political view? If this ocean current is collapsing because of the current temperature anomaly, then it has happened. Nothing that any amount of CO2 limiting will do about it, because even the most optimistic IPCC projections with 100% adoption only say temperature will stabilize ~2060. That base-case is worse than the worst case considered in this paper. So this should be t…

"If this ocean current is collapsing because of the current temperature anomaly, then it has happened." It must be my reading comprehension that's off, but what has happened? What is "it", the ocean current collapsing? The thing is, I don't see anywhere in the article that says it is collapsing. "A new study published Tuesday in the journal Nature, found that the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Current – of which the…

AMOC includes the NAC - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Atlantic_Current

Additional information, which may or may not be of interest.

Re: Crucial system of ocean currents is collapsing; ‘affects everyone on the planet’

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Post by [deleted] »

phpnode wrote: post #10
tmaly wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe we can solve both problems if we would focus more on the scientific method and rational thinking. Improving the educational system is the only way we get there.

Too slow, it will be decades before the people going through the education system now are in a position to effect change

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Re: Crucial system of ocean currents is collapsing; ‘affects everyone on the planet’

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Post by notabee »

bad_alloc wrote: post #18
candiodari wrote: post #3

Why does everything has to be put into the political view? If this ocean current is collapsing because of the current temperature anomaly, then it has happened. Nothing that any amount of CO2 limiting will do about it, because even the most optimistic IPCC projections with 100% adoption only say temperature will stabilize ~2060. That base-case is worse than the worst case considered in this paper. So this should be t…

> Why does everything has to be put into the political view? BECAUSE THE FUTURE VIABILITY OF THE PLANET DEPENDS ON POLITICAL DECISIONS!

It's long past time we should stop tolerating the semantic evasion of "anything that I don't like to talk about is political and therefore out of bounds".

The term itself has been stretched and mutilated to the point of absurdity, and especially any topic that has valid and exhaustive empirical research should be discussed in those terms and not shut down with a big taboo sticker slapped on it.

Discussion of the state of the world's climate and humans' effects on it: science.

Inventing a bunch of word games, truisms, nonsensical "decorum" rules about discussing factual evidence: political.

Re: Crucial system of ocean currents is collapsing; ‘affects everyone on the planet’

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Post by uoaei »

mannykannot wrote: post #21
bryanlarsen wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Half want to believe it isn't happening so therefore we should do nothing, and it feels like the other half believes that because it's inevitable we should just accept we're doomed and do nothing because we're doomed anyways. We need to work to minimize the number of impacts like this one. We can't prevent this one, but we can prevent the next one.

I feel there is considerable overlap between the people who once said "ignore the science! global warming is a fallacy!" and those who are now saying "follow the science! it's too late to do anything!"

You've pretty succinctly demonstrated in synecdoche the fallacy of hardline reactionary conservative talking points.

Things aren't problems until they are. If we can see them coming, we should do something about it. But the conservatively-minded always seem to want more evidence before devoting any resources to anticipation of problems.

Re: Crucial system of ocean currents is collapsing; ‘affects everyone on the planet’

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Post by mariusor »

deadeye wrote: post #12
candiodari wrote: post #3

Why does everything has to be put into the political view? If this ocean current is collapsing because of the current temperature anomaly, then it has happened. Nothing that any amount of CO2 limiting will do about it, because even the most optimistic IPCC projections with 100% adoption only say temperature will stabilize ~2060. That base-case is worse than the worst case considered in this paper. So this should be t…

"If this ocean current is collapsing because of the current temperature anomaly, then it has happened." It must be my reading comprehension that's off, but what has happened? What is "it", the ocean current collapsing? The thing is, I don't see anywhere in the article that says it is collapsing. "A new study published Tuesday in the journal Nature, found that the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Current – of which the…

I think what OP wants to say is that despite the timeline for the event being in the future, nothing we can do today will prevent it from happening. The triggers for the event are in the past and nothing can be done, therefore "it has happened".

Re: Crucial system of ocean currents is collapsing; ‘affects everyone on the planet’

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Post by Dig1t »

CNN has done so much to tarnish their reputation that my gut reaction is to distrust the information they discuss simply based on their past behavior. I think these mainstream publications are actually harming the causes they seek to highlight. It seems there are others in this thread that feel the same way.

Re: Crucial system of ocean currents is collapsing; ‘affects everyone on the planet’

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Post by jihadjihad »

mannykannot wrote: post #21
bryanlarsen wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Half want to believe it isn't happening so therefore we should do nothing, and it feels like the other half believes that because it's inevitable we should just accept we're doomed and do nothing because we're doomed anyways. We need to work to minimize the number of impacts like this one. We can't prevent this one, but we can prevent the next one.

I feel there is considerable overlap between the people who once said "ignore the science! global warming is a fallacy!" and those who are now saying "follow the science! it's too late to do anything!"

Ah, the classic "four-stage strategy"! [0]

0: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSXIetP5iak

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