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Re: Remote work on HN: Who is hiring? – 69% jobs in 2023 are remote

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Post by zactato »

I don't understand the smugness of Software Engineers' belief that pure remote is the only option. It seems short-sighted.

If everything is remote then companies don't care where they hire from. Whats the difference between you and an engineer from South America? Maybe you're a better engineer and maybe you are a better communicator in English. How much better? When do the scales tip? Why hire an engineer for over 200k who's remote in Wisconsin when you can hire one who's remote in Peru for $75k?

It might be better for you right now, but what about in 3 years or 10 years?

Re: Remote work on HN: Who is hiring? – 69% jobs in 2023 are remote

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Post by biohax2015 »

zactato wrote: post #271

I don't understand the smugness of Software Engineers' belief that pure remote is the only option. It seems short-sighted. If everything is remote then companies don't care where they hire from. Whats the difference between you and an engineer from South America? Maybe you're a better engineer and maybe you are a better communicator in English. How much better? When do the scales tip? Why hire an engineer for over 20…

Yep. Not to mention LLMs bringing down language / cultural barriers.

We're digging our own graves here.

Re: Remote work on HN: Who is hiring? – 69% jobs in 2023 are remote

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Post by no_wizard »

addisonl wrote: post #234
zer8k wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly, I'd take 100k TC for a position to keep remote. One caveat, I will be working at 20% of my actual mental capacity. Frequent vacations, using sick time as often as possible, etc. I would not take on anything resembling pagerduty and I wouldn't try to lead anything . Then I'll leave for any job with higher TC. Malicious compliance is the best kind of compliance and is the only way to respond to a lop-sided ne…

And people wonder why companies don’t like remote work…

you can do this in office / hybrid too. It wasn't uncommon when FAANG hiring was ebbing and flowing or people would leave to come back at those places (some FAANGs have weird policies on promoting internally vs externally. It was sometimes easier to leave and comeback)

I worked somewhere where we always had a dozen boomerang FAANG engineers, the practice stopped when everyone realized they were coasting often and getting way to close to deadlines, had poorer than expected engineering output etc.

Re: Remote work on HN: Who is hiring? – 69% jobs in 2023 are remote

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Post by throitallaway »

cj wrote: post #152

Side note to the remote founders/employers out there: Have you been plagued by applicant fraud? We've found for all of our remote engineering roles, we get 100's of amazing applicants who are all fake (clearly not actually in the US) once you get them on a screening call. They're often reading from a script, broken english, and say strange things like they're born and raised in Texas, yet can't speak fluent English o…

I don't know about residency, but we get tons of applicants that know nothing about what's on their resume. If you get them into an interview they try to talk around your questions in generalities. There are also a few "job parking" companies that we've identified. I'm convinced that these companies aren't real (their websites are generic fluff and the applicants that we've talked to don't know anything.) If anyone has those companies listed on their resume it's straight to trash with them. Hiring is not easy.

Re: Remote work on HN: Who is hiring? – 69% jobs in 2023 are remote

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Post by no_wizard »

zactato wrote: post #271

I don't understand the smugness of Software Engineers' belief that pure remote is the only option. It seems short-sighted. If everything is remote then companies don't care where they hire from. Whats the difference between you and an engineer from South America? Maybe you're a better engineer and maybe you are a better communicator in English. How much better? When do the scales tip? Why hire an engineer for over 20…

This is always been a threat, even before WFH was common. How many jobs were offshored in the early - mid 2000s before the trend started to reverse? (and it never reversed completely, mind you)

Or so-called "in-sourcing" practices by abusing the H1B system to higher engineers at a lower rate.

This is always a threat, office or not

Re: Remote work on HN: Who is hiring? – 69% jobs in 2023 are remote

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Post by eldaisfish »

baristaGeek wrote: post #248
Aurornis wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What's the difference between a foreigner with an accent in your onsite team VS a foreigner that's remote in US timezones (LatAm)? If I give someone in the US access to my code, systems, and, inevitably, customer data then I have a lot of legal recourse against that person if they do something bad. They have a lot of incentive to be careful and follow the rules. Their desire to maintain their reputation and avoid l…

Run a background check, sign confidentiality and DP agreements and hire someone who sells you trust. Again, something you would do in any given modality of work.

this sounds good on paper but how effective - really - are background checks outside the developed world? Even inside the developed world, language becomes a big stumbling block.

Re: Remote work on HN: Who is hiring? – 69% jobs in 2023 are remote

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Post by jiveturkey »

Reads like it was aided by AI (LLM) in the writing.

No description of how the analysis was done. So I have to imagine that jobs are extremely simply counted, not deduped. So a job listed in-office or in-city, but also listed as remote, would be 2 jobs and this would result in 50% remote jobs available. Whereas this is actually 100% remote. So I imagine the 69% is an undercount, if going by my assumption of simplistic counting.

Re: Remote work on HN: Who is hiring? – 69% jobs in 2023 are remote

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Post by jmuguy »

throitallaway wrote: post #274
cj wrote: post #152

Side note to the remote founders/employers out there: Have you been plagued by applicant fraud? We've found for all of our remote engineering roles, we get 100's of amazing applicants who are all fake (clearly not actually in the US) once you get them on a screening call. They're often reading from a script, broken english, and say strange things like they're born and raised in Texas, yet can't speak fluent English o…

I don't know about residency, but we get tons of applicants that know nothing about what's on their resume. If you get them into an interview they try to talk around your questions in generalities. There are also a few "job parking" companies that we've identified. I'm convinced that these companies aren't real (their websites are generic fluff and the applicants that we've talked to don't know anything.) If anyone h…

Can you link to an example of one of these companies. We're getting ready to start hiring again and I'm kind of worried about this.

Re: Remote work on HN: Who is hiring? – 69% jobs in 2023 are remote

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Post by sam0x17 »

Aurornis wrote: post #235
baristaGeek wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Accent aside (if they can't be understood at all they're obviously not qualified): What's the difference between a foreigner with an accent in your onsite team VS a foreigner that's remote in US timezones (LatAm)? Why just open the job for US-remote? Compliance? Deel/Remote can help you with that. Security? It applies if you're working on defense software, but other than that...?

> What's the difference between a foreigner with an accent in your onsite team VS a foreigner that's remote in US timezones (LatAm)? If I give someone in the US access to my code, systems, and, inevitably, customer data then I have a lot of legal recourse against that person if they do something bad. They have a lot of incentive to be careful and follow the rules. Their desire to maintain their reputation and avoid l…

> they don't care about anything other than keeping those paychecks coming for a while

Don't forget this is all employment really is. Any employee-employer relationship boils down to this regardless of what you have deluded yourself into believing.

Re: Remote work on HN: Who is hiring? – 69% jobs in 2023 are remote

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Post by twobitshifter »

jacobsenscott wrote: post #211
ryneandal wrote: post #5

I've been working remotely for nearly seven years now. I've been able to enjoy all of the typical "firsts" for my youngest two, saved immense amounts of time with no commute, and have been able to pitch in more regarding domestic tasks. I understand and empathize with those that value face-to-face conversations in the office, but for those that don't, remote work is an incredible boon.

Remote work has benefits, but it also has significant drawbacks. I say this as someone who as worked exclusively remotely for 15+ years. 1. The quality of remote workers seems to have dropped significantly post pandemic. I think this is because, in the past to work remote at an in-office company you need to be pretty valuable. Now people who can't work well without the structure of an office are able to get remote wo…

I started a remote job last September but it hasn’t been as good as Covid work at my previous company. The difference is the company structure. The new company is organized regionally with silos and duplicates roles by city/region. This means there’s less natural remote-like communication outside of a given office.

Further, my new boss is an extrovert and has found that she can’t stand working from home and prefers the office. I was hired fully remote, but there’s more and more in-office meetings held, where I might be the only person on a giant 96” conference room screen. This really makes remote feel like being an outsider and I feel less involved with the team. My role was supposed to be managing and strategy but it’s more of a taskmaster at this point. I can have one-on-one discussions with leaders, but the decisions are not made in a video call, they’re being made in an office face-to-face.

I think if I were a remote contractor this would be fine and I wouldn’t care so much about the dynamic. However, trying to be a genuine employee in a non-remote first and locally focused company is proving difficult.

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