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Re: Remote work on HN: Who is hiring? – 69% jobs in 2023 are remote

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Post by baristaGeek » Tue, Jul 25, 2023, 5:27 PM UTC

michaelbuckbee wrote: post #203

baristaGeek wrote: post #196

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Accent aside (if they can't be understood at all they're obviously not qualified): What's the difference between a foreigner with an accent in your onsite team VS a foreigner that's remote in US timezones (LatAm)? Why just open the job for US-remote? Compliance? Deel/Remote can help you with that. Security? It applies if you're working on defense software, but other than that...?

If you can imagine the difference between hiring one single developer to work on your application vs. hiring dozens of different developers each to handle some small part of it...and it's still worse than that. Typically the person "hired" is the senior and the person doing the work is _extremely_ green.

Oh yeah, if you're talking about dev shops, don't hire dev shops (the "hired" VS extremely green person phenomenon you're talking about happens in these kinds of companies because their incentive is to sell hours/men, instead of actual value).

Do your diligence, and your technical/communication/leadership interviews to make sure you're hiring the right person.

And if it doesn't work out after 2-3 months, fire the person. It happens in all formats of work whether it's remote, hybrid, or onsite.

Re: Remote work on HN: Who is hiring? – 69% jobs in 2023 are remote

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Post by progbits » Tue, Jul 25, 2023, 5:27 PM UTC

HDThoreaun wrote: post #105

sillysaurusx wrote: post #53

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Lucky you live anywhere close to any kind of interesting work.

> Lucky Where you live is a choice, there's nothing lucky about it.

Some people prefer not to abandon their family and friends, so there is indeed luck factor involved.

Re: Remote work on HN: Who is hiring? – 69% jobs in 2023 are remote

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Post by carlosjobim » Tue, Jul 25, 2023, 5:27 PM UTC

cj wrote: post #152

Side note to the remote founders/employers out there: Have you been plagued by applicant fraud? We've found for all of our remote engineering roles, we get 100's of amazing applicants who are all fake (clearly not actually in the US) once you get them on a screening call. They're often reading from a script, broken english, and say strange things like they're born and raised in Texas, yet can't speak fluent English o…

Think logically about it, of course this will happen. The labor market for office jobs is completely broken to the point that many or most companies have no control of whether their employees are doing anything productive. Corporate work is mostly a charade and a wealth distribution scheme, also when it comes to software engineering - as evident by the many single individuals shipping software with better quality than huge corps employing thousands.

The hope of these fake candidates is that they can sneak in and get a few good paychecks from a corrupt and disorderly employer. And it costs then almost nothing to try.

Re: Remote work on HN: Who is hiring? – 69% jobs in 2023 are remote

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Post by addisonl » Tue, Jul 25, 2023, 5:28 PM UTC

zer8k wrote: post #98

shmatt wrote: post #66

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Im not sure why this is even getting downvoted. Top pay of market has significantly shifted to hybrid. Even once a week in office means you can't live anywhere in the country you'd like. Though i'm not sure if the original article counts hybrid as remote in this case There are plenty of fully remote openings for senior software engineers looking for $100k TC right now. Every person can make their own calculation

Honestly, I'd take 100k TC for a position to keep remote. One caveat, I will be working at 20% of my actual mental capacity. Frequent vacations, using sick time as often as possible, etc. I would not take on anything resembling pagerduty and I wouldn't try to lead anything . Then I'll leave for any job with higher TC. Malicious compliance is the best kind of compliance and is the only way to respond to a lop-sided ne…

And people wonder why companies don’t like remote work…

Re: Remote work on HN: Who is hiring? – 69% jobs in 2023 are remote

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Post by Aurornis » Tue, Jul 25, 2023, 5:28 PM UTC

baristaGeek wrote: post #196

cj wrote: post #152

Side note to the remote founders/employers out there: Have you been plagued by applicant fraud? We've found for all of our remote engineering roles, we get 100's of amazing applicants who are all fake (clearly not actually in the US) once you get them on a screening call. They're often reading from a script, broken english, and say strange things like they're born and raised in Texas, yet can't speak fluent English o…

Accent aside (if they can't be understood at all they're obviously not qualified): What's the difference between a foreigner with an accent in your onsite team VS a foreigner that's remote in US timezones (LatAm)? Why just open the job for US-remote? Compliance? Deel/Remote can help you with that. Security? It applies if you're working on defense software, but other than that...?

> What's the difference between a foreigner with an accent in your onsite team VS a foreigner that's remote in US timezones (LatAm)?

If I give someone in the US access to my code, systems, and, inevitably, customer data then I have a lot of legal recourse against that person if they do something bad. They have a lot of incentive to be careful and follow the rules. Their desire to maintain their reputation and avoid legal liability aligns our interests.

If I hire someone in the US and they hand everything over to a random person in a foreign country who doesn't care in the slightest about US laws, then they don't care about anything other than keeping those paychecks coming for a while. They don't care about anything, especially once those paychecks stop coming. It's even more complicated because the company isn't the one sending the paychecks, it's the person you hired. If that person has a falling out with their outsourced counterpart and the outsourced counterpart decides to take revenge on the company as leverage over their front-person, it gets bad.

> Security? It applies if you're working on defense software, but other than that...?

Are you suggesting that security only matters to defense software? You've never worked on a project that involves customer data? You've never worked on proprietary software that your competitors would love to have?

Do you not get annoyed when companies leak your personal data?

Re: Remote work on HN: Who is hiring? – 69% jobs in 2023 are remote

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Post by QuarterReptile » Tue, Jul 25, 2023, 5:28 PM UTC

drones wrote: post #87

Does anyone else think that WeWork, as a concept, still has potential? WFH has a lot of benefits for the employee, but it's clear that many employers still desire some face-to-face contact. WeWork was already going downhill pre-pandemic, but had it survived I wonder if it may have been the primary service for small/hybrid companies. I am aware that WW had it's own business issues to deal with, but it's still salvagea…

If, by the concept, you mean coworking spaces, then yes, that concept can and does work.

If you mean coworking spaces administered by people in SF making tech salaries and needing the growth and scale that VC demands, then it seems unlikely. In my hometown, the coworking space costs $140/mo right in downtown (220 with a dedicated desk). Anything that can operate locally is probably going to beat the dumb money that We Work represents.

Re: Remote work on HN: Who is hiring? – 69% jobs in 2023 are remote

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Post by burlesona » Tue, Jul 25, 2023, 5:29 PM UTC

hiatus wrote: post #177

burlesona wrote: post #162

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That's very interesting. My experience has been the opposite, that people who are pro-remote are intense about it, that they often deny there being any benefits to working in an office and get angry and dismissive toward anyone who says they want to work in-person. I would argue that the reason "remote wins" is that to get the full benefit of working in person you really need 100% of your team to work in the same bui…

> As soon as one person goes remote, the in-person experience is significantly degraded for everyone else. Does the office fall apart when someone goes on vacation or is sick? If not, why then would one or two days away from the office have such a big impact?

If someone is sick or on PTO some things are assigned to another person and some things just wait for them to get back. And yes if the whole team has, for example, Mondays and Fridays remote, then some things just wait for Tuesday -> Thursday to happen.

The degradation I'm referencing is if you have one or more people permanently remote on your team. Then, just picking a few trivial examples, you can't take a notepad with you and make a team decision over lunch, or huddle around a whiteboard, etc., because those things don't work for the remote teammate. Even when you're in a conference room with a good video setup, it's still very common to have a lot of repeating things for the remote person, or having the remote person struggle to chime in etc., that make it a worse experience for both sides compared to the lowest common denominator of "everyone is on Zoom."

Re: Remote work on HN: Who is hiring? – 69% jobs in 2023 are remote

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Post by mostlysimilar » Tue, Jul 25, 2023, 5:30 PM UTC

w4termelon wrote: post #188

1270018080 wrote: post #154

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Which is why we need a union, despite what libertarians think they are above.

> Which is why we need a union Development is global as opposed to, say, cab driving. So, tech companies from other parts of the world will applaud your decision. Keep pushing new regulations, we'll reap the benefits.

Cool, so you can be worked into the ground by abusive landlords who add no value. We'll pool our skills and create organizations of engineers who want better for themselves and the world.

Re: Remote work on HN: Who is hiring? – 69% jobs in 2023 are remote

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Post by Aurornis » Tue, Jul 25, 2023, 5:32 PM UTC

safog wrote: post #202

cj wrote: post #152

Side note to the remote founders/employers out there: Have you been plagued by applicant fraud? We've found for all of our remote engineering roles, we get 100's of amazing applicants who are all fake (clearly not actually in the US) once you get them on a screening call. They're often reading from a script, broken english, and say strange things like they're born and raised in Texas, yet can't speak fluent English o…

It also seems like you have to be wary of the tax consequences here. Who do you pay on the payroll? If it's a US Citizen in America it's one thing, but if it's anything else, then you may tax issues.

These people have a US-based front person, or at least a stolen identity. The stolen identify is particularly bad because the tax consequences are attached to the stolen identity.

If someone tried to claim they were from the US but didn't have any tax ID and we needed to send their paychecks to an obscure address in Europe for reasons, that wouldn't work at all.

Re: Remote work on HN: Who is hiring? – 69% jobs in 2023 are remote

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Post by mostlysimilar » Tue, Jul 25, 2023, 5:32 PM UTC

1270018080 wrote: post #154

HDThoreaun wrote: post #97

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Salary has never been about the value you provide. It's about the cost to replace you. Companies will never pay you more than you cost to replace.

Which is why we need a union, despite what libertarians think they are above.

This needs to happen as soon as possible. Not only to protect ourselves against the destructive race to the bottom and offshoring, but to put guard rails in place against these people who want to use technology to extract value at the expense of everything else. They're nothing without the engineers and product designers that actually create the value.