Amazon to force 'voluntary resignation' on workers who don't relocate

Post by andsoitis » Tue, Jul 25, 2023, 3:24 PM UTC

unpwn wrote: post #78

andsoitis wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Because saying "you can keep your job if you uproot your life" isn't a fair choice. Surely an employer and employee are free to choose the employment terms and when the terms are deemed unacceptable to either, they can part ways? If you're a top notch Amazon engineer, for example, and you don't want to uproot your life it would be fairly easy to find another job that is more suitable, don't you think? All employmen…

Employment relationships and tradeoffs are negotiated at the time of hiring. Abruptly changing the terms in the middle with no re-negotiation is unfair. Sure, employees are free to leave and find another job, but with a layoff an employee has many benefits such as severance that are offered, where as in this case there are none. Instead of laying off people, should Amazon be able to just reduce their salary to 0, the…

Post by unpwn » Tue, Jul 25, 2023, 3:50 PM UTC

andsoitis wrote: post #81

unpwn wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Employment relationships and tradeoffs are negotiated at the time of hiring. Abruptly changing the terms in the middle with no re-negotiation is unfair. Sure, employees are free to leave and find another job, but with a layoff an employee has many benefits such as severance that are offered, where as in this case there are none. Instead of laying off people, should Amazon be able to just reduce their salary to 0, the…

> Employment relationships and tradeoffs are negotiated at the time of hiring. Abruptly changing the terms in the middle with no re-negotiation is unfair. Concur that the employer has to behave within the confines of the contract. If not, that's a contract violation and they should pay dearly. Is it the case that they are violating contractual terms? Or are they operating within the flexibility offered by the contrac…

Post by disqard » Tue, Jul 25, 2023, 5:01 PM UTC

dh2022 wrote: post #35

This is the Amazon I know! This is the Amazon I worked for 4 years. Every time I wonder if things changed one of these stories pops up. And reinforces my resolve to never work for this piece-of-** company unless I cannot make my next mortgage payment.

Post by red-iron-pine » Tue, Jul 25, 2023, 5:23 PM UTC

tptacek wrote: post #73

RollAHardSix wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, I live in an at-will state, you can absolutely file for constructive dismissal. And SHOULD. If you can do your job remotely, have been doing your job remotely, and the company wants to end that? Then the company absolutely needs to be challenged and burdened with showing proof as to why returning to the office is necessary when it does create an unreasonable burden on the employee. For anyone who says this isn't…

Virtually everybody lives in an at-will state. The definition of an at-will state is one in which your employer doesn't need any reason to fire you. How does the constructive dismissal claim work? Is it your belief that they could fire you immediately if they wanted to, but have somehow, despite the huge legal department, blundered into the one way they can't fire you? If this is just about unemployment benefits, sur…

Post by red-iron-pine » Tue, Jul 25, 2023, 5:31 PM UTC

linuxftw wrote: post #71

sidlls wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This happened in the Bay Area, too. Prior to everyone adopting "RTO" (return to office) policies, my commute to the office regardless of the day was about 20 minutes (leaving from SF). After, on Tuesdays through Thursdays, it can easily be 30-40 minutes. And getting back home? Horrible. Before RTO I could leave the office at 4 or 5 and be back in my nice apartment within a half hour. Now it takes 10 fuckin minutes ju…

Organize your local political machine to declare each flu season an emergency, and enforce lock downs again.