Crucial system of ocean currents is collapsing; ‘affects everyone on the planet’
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Re: Crucial system of ocean currents is collapsing; ‘affects everyone on the planet’
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Re: Crucial system of ocean currents is collapsing; ‘affects everyone on the planet’
#3Why does everything has to be put into the political view? If this ocean current is collapsing because of the current temperature anomaly, then it has happened. Nothing that any amount of CO2 limiting will do about it, because even the most optimistic IPCC projections with 100% adoption only say temperature will stabilize ~2060. That base-case is worse than the worst case considered in this paper.
So this should be treated as this current having collapsed. It's like a building toppled, it's shaking, but not many bricks have hit the ground yet, but everybody's running.
Well, except that in this case half the people still want to believe it isn't happening.
What we really need to know is what will be happening, where, and how much.
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#5Why does everything has to be put into the political view? If this ocean current is collapsing because of the current temperature anomaly, then it has happened. Nothing that any amount of CO2 limiting will do about it, because even the most optimistic IPCC projections with 100% adoption only say temperature will stabilize ~2060. That base-case is worse than the worst case considered in this paper. So this should be t…
> half the people still want to believe it isn't happening.
The problem is twofold: on one side, you have those who think they can choose whether to believe in facts; on the other side, you have those who believe without understanding!
As you said, we are past the return point. This is happening, and we should be doing something that actually addresses the problems caused by the ocean currents shutting down, but too many activists will block the traffic, piss everybody off, show a sign with "STOP OIL" painted on it, accomplish nothing but fomenting the hate, and call it a day.
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Re: Crucial system of ocean currents is collapsing; ‘affects everyone on the planet’
#7Why does everything has to be put into the political view? If this ocean current is collapsing because of the current temperature anomaly, then it has happened. Nothing that any amount of CO2 limiting will do about it, because even the most optimistic IPCC projections with 100% adoption only say temperature will stabilize ~2060. That base-case is worse than the worst case considered in this paper. So this should be t…
> half the people still want to believe it isn't happening. The problem is twofold: on one side, you have those who think they can choose whether to believe in facts; on the other side, you have those who believe without understanding! As you said, we are past the return point. This is happening, and we should be doing something that actually addresses the problems caused by the ocean currents shutting down, but too…
I believe we can solve both problems if we would focus more on the scientific method and rational thinking.
Improving the educational system is the only way we get there.
Re: Crucial system of ocean currents is collapsing; ‘affects everyone on the planet’
#8Why does everything has to be put into the political view? If this ocean current is collapsing because of the current temperature anomaly, then it has happened. Nothing that any amount of CO2 limiting will do about it, because even the most optimistic IPCC projections with 100% adoption only say temperature will stabilize ~2060. That base-case is worse than the worst case considered in this paper. So this should be t…
Half want to believe it isn't happening so therefore we should do nothing, and it feels like the other half believes that because it's inevitable we should just accept we're doomed and do nothing because we're doomed anyways.
We need to work to minimize the number of impacts like this one. We can't prevent this one, but we can prevent the next one.
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A war economy just gives the government control of more stuff; it doesn't reduce their incentive to use the stuff. Faith in that is essentiañly faith in autocracy.
Proper pricing of externalities would be better.
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#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
> half the people still want to believe it isn't happening. The problem is twofold: on one side, you have those who think they can choose whether to believe in facts; on the other side, you have those who believe without understanding! As you said, we are past the return point. This is happening, and we should be doing something that actually addresses the problems caused by the ocean currents shutting down, but too…
I believe we can solve both problems if we would focus more on the scientific method and rational thinking. Improving the educational system is the only way we get there.
Too slow, it will be decades before the people going through the education system now are in a position to effect change