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Re: Remote work on HN: Who is hiring? – 69% jobs in 2023 are remote

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I've been working remotely for nearly seven years now. I've been able to enjoy all of the typical "firsts" for my youngest two, saved immense amounts of time with no commute, and have been able to pitch in more regarding domestic tasks. I understand and empathize with those that value face-to-face conversations in the office, but for those that don't, remote work is an incredible boon.

Remote work has benefits, but it also has significant drawbacks. I say this as someone who as worked exclusively remotely for 15+ years.

1. The quality of remote workers seems to have dropped significantly post pandemic. I think this is because, in the past to work remote at an in-office company you need to be pretty valuable. Now people who can't work well without the structure of an office are able to get remote work and coast. This means the good people are carrying a lot more dead weight.

2. Juniors simply don't learn as much or as quickly in a remote environment. Many of them just go dark when they can't figure something out.

3. Perhaps you save money by not commuting, but my wife and I both work remote. That means our companies have basically colonized 200 square feet of our house rent free. We could be using these rooms for something else. It almost feels like a 3rd amendment violation sometimes.

Re: Remote work on HN: Who is hiring? – 69% jobs in 2023 are remote

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I support remote work, but moving out to a rural area is putting yourself at risk if you expect to get high software engineer pay. There’s a lot more competition for remote jobs and you’re also competing with highly qualified candidates in lower cost of living places outside the US.

> you’re also competing with highly qualified candidates in lower cost of living places outside the US. Thats true for anyone in the US. I find it far stranger to work remotely from SF or NY.

I think the key part of moving elsewhere is that you have much less access to the in-person segment, assuming moving represents a significant hurdle to you.

Re: Remote work on HN: Who is hiring? – 69% jobs in 2023 are remote

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Side note to the remote founders/employers out there: Have you been plagued by applicant fraud? We've found for all of our remote engineering roles, we get 100's of amazing applicants who are all fake (clearly not actually in the US) once you get them on a screening call. They're often reading from a script, broken english, and say strange things like they're born and raised in Texas, yet can't speak fluent English o…

> have a heavy accent.

Idk if this is an actual signal of anything, at least with mexican-american people I noticed they still have a unique accent. First gen americans can live in ethnic bubbles, and not speak english primarily, especially if their parents didnt put in any effort to speak english.

Re: Remote work on HN: Who is hiring? – 69% jobs in 2023 are remote

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> This was most likely also happening in the office Not in this case. They even had a chart showing the sharp decline in several different metrics when they let people go remote. If you subtracted out the outliers, most of the company was fine going remote. About 20% of people dropped their productivity to a fraction of before, though. Some people can't handle remote work. I think it's time we stopped pretending like…

How were they measuring productivity per employee? I see that bandied about for a lot of RTO arguments, but it's extremely hard if not impossible to do, so it's important to talk about the methodology driving the decision making.

> How were they measuring productivity per employee?

Productivity was ultimately measured by talking to the people and asking what they've been working on, what the challenges were, and why it was taking so long. When we'd talk to some of these people, they could barely come up with a story for what they had been doing all week.

The metrics were used as an indicator of where to investigate, not as an ultimate measure of productivity. The key metrics were actually entirely in control of the teams themselves: We would estimate our own story points and could even close our own tickets as completed if we wanted.

When some employees go from doing 20-25 story points per week down to 3-5 and the only change was that they started working remotely, something is wrong.

Remember, these were people rating their own story points!

IMO, they could have gamed the system if they wanted to by inflating story points and churning tickets (though this would only delay their managers catching on, not avoid it). These people weren't even doing that. They just... stopped working more than a couple hours per week and assumed nobody would notice.

I know this cuts against the Reddit, Twitter, and Hacker News narrative that everyone is more productive remote, but I watched it happen in real time. It wasn't just a few people, it was a significant number of people who couldn't handle it.

Not everyone can handle remote and the number of people in this category is a lot higher than the internet suggests. I don't know why that's controversial for some people.

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blind

Can't you only post to blind if you created your account while still employed? IIRC, I was able to create some kind of limited account after I was laid off, but I couldn't fully participate.

You could set up a custom domain if you don't have one already and forward the email for $8/yr. https://cloudflareapps.com/apps/email-forwarding

Re: Remote work on HN: Who is hiring? – 69% jobs in 2023 are remote

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I've been working remotely for nearly seven years now. I've been able to enjoy all of the typical "firsts" for my youngest two, saved immense amounts of time with no commute, and have been able to pitch in more regarding domestic tasks. I understand and empathize with those that value face-to-face conversations in the office, but for those that don't, remote work is an incredible boon.

I work remote, and we talk about this topic among the team from time to time. One thing I always add to the conversation is the importance of simulating a work day. I wake up 30 minutes before work and get ready. I raise my desk and work standing the first 4.5 hours every day. I greet the team in work chat on the dot, and begin working on tasks for the day.

Being successful at remote work as a developer and creative is using the right tools when it comes to collaboration. This means having a good A/V setup that doesn't need regular futzing with to work. Know your OS's sound and camera settings. Know your team tools inside and out. Another thing that I work on daily is better written communication skills, specifically, better commit message, taking that extra 5 minutes to write up a concise PR.

Screen capture is another tool I regularly use, and have refined my skills in. I often screenshot things and add drawn and text annotations to highlight important information and supplement with a chat message. That can often help solve problems much faster. I have us all using more digital whiteboarding tools. We're learning what too much or too little Kanban board granularity is. Adjusting workflows both in project management and remote communication is super important. Finding the inefficiencies and efficiencies requires a lot of open-mindedness and humility.

We had an employee who wasn't finding success in remote work and I realized a lot of his struggles were with not knowing how to use core desktop publishing and digital communication tools. He was from the save it on your hard drive and email-it-to-me generation. He missed standing at the coffee machine and chatting. He didn't care to learn advanced features of the Google Suite, or get OBS up and running. Those factors combined didn't help him succeed in remote work. It was unfortunate to see.

One thing that can be done to positively influence opponents of remote work, in your organization or in the industry in general is emphasizing the importance of core modern computer literacy. I think that being a highly productive remote employee requires one to develop and maintain a high degree of core computer literacy (using office productivity tools, communication software, and managing A/V hardware).

Re: Remote work on HN: Who is hiring? – 69% jobs in 2023 are remote

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It's weird. I feel like you can get more done at an office at times... but then there's also a lot of downtime. Also the commute is always killer. I honestly believe people work better when they get dressed and have some routine. No idea how people can work in their PJs, I'd feel so lazy, lol. However. The commute is killer. Even if you get it down to just 15 min. (which is hard unless you live right next to work) th…

If I could walk to the office in 15 minutes, I genuinely don't think I'd mind going in at least a few days a week. Unfortunately my actual commute would be 30-45 minutes in traffic so no thank you. I'm quite happy WFH. My apartment is kitted out better than any executive office, and best of all it's quiet.

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post #157

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It sounds to me like you're WFH in a culture that doesn't do async coordination well. I don't know how large an org you're in, but some targeted team process refresh goals/training for better async coord would seem like it could improve your working environment. (edit: this could be a suggestion put to your team leads/managers with the objective of improving culture & efficiency) Some of that is explicitly writing up…

It's a hybrid 20-ish person team and I work from the office 4 days a week (my choice), but yeah, you're right that we fail at async coordination and fall back onto calls. I've suggested alternatives (meet in the office a couple of days a week) but it has failed to materialise and the only workable solution I found has been to remove myself from noisy/unproductive calls. I hear what you're saying about docs but knowin…

I feel like in a hybrid work situation it's unfortunate that it can fall into the worst-of-both-worlds type situations.

Shifting coordinating doc habits are hard, but a lot of times they're being generated in pieces in an uncoordinated way already. Or it could be a matter of team leadership pointing back to the right contexts - issue discussion etc.

Re: Remote work on HN: Who is hiring? – 69% jobs in 2023 are remote

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Side note to the remote founders/employers out there: Have you been plagued by applicant fraud? We've found for all of our remote engineering roles, we get 100's of amazing applicants who are all fake (clearly not actually in the US) once you get them on a screening call. They're often reading from a script, broken english, and say strange things like they're born and raised in Texas, yet can't speak fluent English o…

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Re: Remote work on HN: Who is hiring? – 69% jobs in 2023 are remote

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I've been working remotely for nearly seven years now. I've been able to enjoy all of the typical "firsts" for my youngest two, saved immense amounts of time with no commute, and have been able to pitch in more regarding domestic tasks. I understand and empathize with those that value face-to-face conversations in the office, but for those that don't, remote work is an incredible boon.

I'm in a similar boat, working remotely since 2017. I don't even have kids, and just enjoy my local parks with my dogs, my wife, etc. My social interaction tends to not involve work, which I actually think is healthy, and gets me away from the echo chambers I've experienced in major tech hubs. My biggest wish, or obstacle, is finding a team that truly values writing. So many times I've sat in meetings where the discu…

I have a coworker who creates work tickets for me and a fair bit of my work time is spent deciphering what they meant in their tickets.

It's not uncommon for me to interview him on almost every ticket, writing extensive notes with clarifications on his instructions and to fill in gaps.

I don't see anything necessarily wrong with having to write notes. I think that's part of a healthy work process. I just think it happens too often.

It's partly due to the fact we do not have a very organized system, but also due to him not valuing writing as a tool to enhance his work.

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