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Re: Remote work on HN: Who is hiring? – 69% jobs in 2023 are remote

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Post by flanbiscuit » Tue, Jul 25, 2023, 4:50 PM UTC

dimitrios1 wrote: post #80

thebradbain wrote: post #27

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Do you mean Sept 2020? I believe everything shutdown (in most US states and European countries) in March 2020. Only wondering because ~3 years versus a little less than 2 years seems like a potentially big difference, so wondering if that feeling of fulfillment has is still going strong that long

Yes! Good catch. The COVID years still all feel like 1 long year..

Lockdown for me (lived in NYC at the time) started in March of 2020.

Curious what country you live in that Sept 2020 was "pre-pandemic" for you? It was already hitting hard in many countries by then.

Re: Remote work on HN: Who is hiring? – 69% jobs in 2023 are remote

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Post by nonethewiser » Tue, Jul 25, 2023, 4:51 PM UTC

yieldcrv wrote: post #68

Invictus0 wrote: post #43

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cannot get work... at the price they want. Plenty of low-paying remote jobs out there

in my experience, the process is the same at any salary or compensation package it isnt “easier” to get an offer at lower ranges, those companies think they are taking a risk with their comp ranges too

What you say is true to an extent but its still easier because there are less or less qualified candidates.

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Post by tacocataco » Tue, Jul 25, 2023, 4:51 PM UTC

People should get paid for their commute. With compensation for gas and wear and tear on the car.

Support for return to the office would vaporize instantly.

Less pollution, less traffic, less wear on the roads, lives saved and injuries avoided.

You want people to come into the office? Pay for the privilege.

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Post by dv_dt » Tue, Jul 25, 2023, 4:52 PM UTC

Aurornis wrote: post #89

tayo42 wrote: post #60

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Companies are being cheap. Software engineers are only providing 200k dollars worth of value? I find that hard to believe.

Compensation isn't proportional to the value you produce. It never was. The hiring market is a market. Prices in a market are set by supply and demand. The value you produce only sets an upper limit on your compensation because companies don't want to lose money by employing people.

> Compensation isn't proportional to the value you produce.

Contrast that with product/service pricing where the business advice is to capture as big a slice of the end value produced as possible.

Compensation is proportional to the value produced, and is also constrained by factors like, how close the position is to the income stream, if the dept you're working for is considered a cost or profit center. But basically different companies, industries, and situations have different typical proportional factors.

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Post by acuozzo » Tue, Jul 25, 2023, 4:52 PM UTC

robswc wrote: post #158

acuozzo wrote: post #150

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> Even if you get it down to just 15 min. (which is hard unless you live right next to work) that's 30 min. a day. Prob adds up to well over 100 hrs a year just commuting. I need my morning commute. It's a kind of forced meditation that I can't get at home with three young children. It would stress me out if I couldn't work a flexible schedule or if I had to deal with rush-hour, so I'm thankful that these stars align…

That's fair, honestly gives you an advantage that you enjoy it. For me, anytime I'm commuting I feel is time I could be doing almost literally _anything_ else. My secret to getting away (its not forced though, lol) is a mini sauna. I don't really sit in there sometimes but if I say I'm going to it's everyone's clue to leave me alone haha.

> That's fair, honestly gives you an advantage that you enjoy it.

I probably wouldn't if it were any longer, TBH. 30 minutes one-way is more-or-less my limit.

It's also terrible for the environment. IDK, I have mixed feelings about the whole thing, but I do know that I need it to reset my brain before work.

> My secret to getting away (its not forced though, lol) is a mini sauna.

That's awesome! How mini are we talking? I've seen some tiny ones!

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Post by esafak » Tue, Jul 25, 2023, 4:52 PM UTC

cj wrote: post #152

Side note to the remote founders/employers out there: Have you been plagued by applicant fraud? We've found for all of our remote engineering roles, we get 100's of amazing applicants who are all fake (clearly not actually in the US) once you get them on a screening call. They're often reading from a script, broken english, and say strange things like they're born and raised in Texas, yet can't speak fluent English o…

Someone wrote about this in a previous discussion. The grift is to bilk you until you realize the charade. Even one American paycheck is golden in the developing world.

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Post by hiatus » Tue, Jul 25, 2023, 4:53 PM UTC

burlesona wrote: post #162

ravenstine wrote: post #85

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There's arguments from both sides of the coin but, though I'm biased having worked remote for almost 5 years now, I think the remote-side usually wins the argument by simply being more reasonable. I see far fewer remote workers claiming that "everyone should work remote" and more in-office workers making sweeping claims that remote reduces creativity, reduces, productivity, or makes people lazy. The anti-remote folks…

That's very interesting. My experience has been the opposite, that people who are pro-remote are intense about it, that they often deny there being any benefits to working in an office and get angry and dismissive toward anyone who says they want to work in-person. I would argue that the reason "remote wins" is that to get the full benefit of working in person you really need 100% of your team to work in the same bui…

> As soon as one person goes remote, the in-person experience is significantly degraded for everyone else.

Does the office fall apart when someone goes on vacation or is sick? If not, why then would one or two days away from the office have such a big impact?

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Post by ryneandal » Tue, Jul 25, 2023, 4:53 PM UTC

CoastalCoder wrote: post #61

JohnFen wrote: post #54

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> Am I the only one in that situation? What do you do? What I did (decades ago) was realize that when I was working from home, I needed to treat it the same as working in an office. What that meant was: I need a room that is exclusively "the office". When I'm in there, I'm working. When I'm not working, I'm not in there. And everyone else in the household has to adhere to one rule -- if my office door is closed, they…

I did this as well. It took a little time, and a few rebukes, for my kids to understand it as a hard rule. But after that it's been smooth sailing. It also helps that I majorly soundproofed my home office. Even well-intentioned kids will won't be silent for the entire work day.

Aye, just gotta rip off the bandaid and make sure you're firm with the rules. My eldest boy has terrible separation anxiety and acted as though I had died for the first week or so, but adjustments were made and it's been relatively smooth sailing since.

I did acquiesce and allow interruptions when the door is open, for times I'm checking email or other administrative tasks. That same son has high-functioning autism so I do find myself bringing him in to calm him down on occasion.

I've found my wife is the one who refuses to follow these guidelines most often, lol.

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Post by bart_spoon » Tue, Jul 25, 2023, 4:53 PM UTC

burlesona wrote: post #162

ravenstine wrote: post #85

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There's arguments from both sides of the coin but, though I'm biased having worked remote for almost 5 years now, I think the remote-side usually wins the argument by simply being more reasonable. I see far fewer remote workers claiming that "everyone should work remote" and more in-office workers making sweeping claims that remote reduces creativity, reduces, productivity, or makes people lazy. The anti-remote folks…

That's very interesting. My experience has been the opposite, that people who are pro-remote are intense about it, that they often deny there being any benefits to working in an office and get angry and dismissive toward anyone who says they want to work in-person. I would argue that the reason "remote wins" is that to get the full benefit of working in person you really need 100% of your team to work in the same bui…

> That's very interesting. My experience has been the opposite, that people who are pro-remote are intense about it, that they often deny there being any benefits to working in an office and get angry and dismissive toward anyone who says they want to work in-person.

There is a difference between arguing that remote work is better and insisting everyone work remotely. I've seen lots of people say remote work should be an option. I have yet to see a single person, on Hacker News or elsewhere, insist that everyone be required to work remotely. On the opposite side of the argument, I've seen plenty of people argue that in-person work should be required for everyone on the other hand.

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Post by claytongulick » Tue, Jul 25, 2023, 4:53 PM UTC

unshavedyak wrote: post #132

ravenstine wrote: post #85

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There's arguments from both sides of the coin but, though I'm biased having worked remote for almost 5 years now, I think the remote-side usually wins the argument by simply being more reasonable. I see far fewer remote workers claiming that "everyone should work remote" and more in-office workers making sweeping claims that remote reduces creativity, reduces, productivity, or makes people lazy. The anti-remote folks…

Completely agree. I've long believed that society is just "wrong" with the work/life balance these days. Socially i think we could drop to 6h days and life would improve dramatically (just looking at home time, that is) for most people. For me, just giving up commutes and being able to do some basic chores on breaks or lunch alone brings a ton of this balance back into check. I work 8h but i gained so much "me" time…

I think the idea of measuring productivity by hours spent is absurd.

I manage my teams by tasks accomplished. I really don't care if they were able to complete it in 2 hours and take the rest of the day off.

I simply acknowledge formally what happens in practice anyway. The average "8 hour workday" only contains about three productive hours [1].

For me, it varies wildly. Some days, I'll get in "the zone" and 12 hours / and thousands of lines of code will fly by. Then I'll spend the next day or two in a brain funk waiting to recharge.

I've learned to embrace my "bursty" productivity patterns and to structure my delivery expectations around them. If I get trapped into a X number of hours per day butt-in-seat situation, my overall productivity declines sharply.

[1] https://www.inc.com/melanie-curtin/in-an-8-hour-day-the-aver...