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The burden of Long Covid “so large as to be unfathomable”

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Re: The burden of Long Covid “so large as to be unfathomable”

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post #23

Hasn't there been lots of evidence in the past year suggesting that Covid was created in a lab? If we were to go down this path: 1. Covid created in a lab (not proven, but high enough probability to be considered a reasonable option): https://oversight.house.gov/release/covid-origins-hearing-wr... 2. If Covid was created in a lab, this de-facto means that Covid has potential as a biological weapon. I don't see how th…

No. There has not been more evidence that Covid was lab created.

Republicans who already support conspiracy theorists suggest that because China did what china always does (suppress information), it must be a lab leak. The fact that china is suppressing information on Covid does not lend credibility to the conspiracy hypothesis. Suppressing information has been a Chinese government position for decades leading up to Covid and is not out of the ordinary behavior, so cannot be used as evidence that something is awry.

The next bit of evidence that people who already support the lab leak conspiracy state is that “ventilation was being upgraded”. Which. Okay? I mean. Is it credible that a chinese lab was not sufficiently scrubbed for ventilation workers? I have no answer, but it also doesn’t explain why the virus appears to have jumped multiple times in a somewhat short period at the wuhan markets.

All things considered, it is possible that the virus leaked from the lab. But even if that were the case, it doesn’t lend any credibility to the conspiracy, which makes some pretty radical claims (that it was intentionally leaked, that Pfizer paid for the leak, that it was a leftist plot to destroy half the population for some reason, that it was a precursor to injecting people with 5g nanobots, etc)

Even if the conspiracy group accidentally landed on the correct place that the virus originated (and that’s suspect. The evidence is conspiracy oriented itself), it doesn’t lend any credibility to it being a plot to kill everyone with a killer vaccine.

Re: The burden of Long Covid “so large as to be unfathomable”

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There is a lack of hard scientific evidence definitively proving this. However you may know in your bones that this is real, from lived experience or from people you know. Please keep that in mind when you dismiss other things that lack definitive scientific evidence. We as humans seem to pick and choose which currently unverified things to believe and which to dismiss.

>We as humans seem to pick and choose which currently unverified things to believe and which to dismiss

As it was in the beginning and forever will be

It's physically impossible for humans to agree on an "objective truth" because human sense perception (at least with respect to differentiation of truth claims) is not uniform and the variety of human experience - despite variance being relatively small when measured (eg. normally distributed) - is dis-joint enough that insignificant variance in conceptions have historically led to wide scale clan focused war.

For example the theological difference between protestants and catholics is minute when plotted against all other theistic conceptions. Yet that difference is large enough (within those two groups) to drive violent, inter-generational, centuries long conflict.

It's actually pretty interesting when you start paying attention to how groups and subgroups work together or fight respectively in different contexts. I have three kids who will torture each other at home, but they clan up and protect their own or alternatively cooperate, when in social situations with other clans present.

This is an intractable and non-differentiable feature of human society and we want to assume that it's vestigial when in fact it's the core conceptual drive that creates society - for better or worse.

Re: The burden of Long Covid “so large as to be unfathomable”

#54

There is a lack of hard scientific evidence definitively proving this. However you may know in your bones that this is real, from lived experience or from people you know. Please keep that in mind when you dismiss other things that lack definitive scientific evidence. We as humans seem to pick and choose which currently unverified things to believe and which to dismiss.

come again? Long Covid has been documented in numerous top scientific journals. My understanding from my scientist friends is quite the opposite. It is well established.

Re: The burden of Long Covid “so large as to be unfathomable”

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post #8

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COVID was feared to mutate into something dangerous and that's why we took it so seriously. The Spanish Flu started out similarly innocuously and then turned into something terrible. That's what we were trying to (and succeeded at being able to) avoid.

Sorry, but that’s not the narrative that was all over the news at all. If that’s what the powers that be were thinking they didn’t tell us so!

Re: The burden of Long Covid “so large as to be unfathomable”

#56
post #19

What are the clinically significant differences between long covid and things like fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue syndrome that have been around for quite a while? I don't appear to be the only one asking these questions. https://www.jwatch.org/na56219/2023/06/15/long-covid-and-chr... https://www.publichealth.columbia.edu/news/long-covid-really... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10117846/

i always thought long covid is a variant of ME/CFS - it just got it's own name due to the novel virus, while non-covid cases of CFS are caused by viruses which usually have a far lower chance of causing CFS (epstein-barr/herpes/...). no idea if that's actually the case though.

"A review of long COVID research found half of those affected met diagnostic criteria for ME/CFS."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9839201/

Re: The burden of Long Covid “so large as to be unfathomable”

#57
I spent two years in bed, sometimes sleeping 16 hours a day and feeling like passing out just from walking 100m. All my tests were fine, all doctors thought it's just "anxiety" and basically ignored me until I had what looked like a stroke when they started taking it slightly more seriously. However, given all the tests were OK I went in circles from one doctor to another when I had better days, or being completely bedridden when I hadn't.

Then one day I got finally upset by my deteriorating state, started taking about 50 different supplements with any "word-of-mouth" evidence from Reddit forums from folks claiming it helped them, started slowly doing daily rowing machine workouts and within 1 month I was 1000x better.

I really think medical science gets many things wrong and knows only a small piece of puzzle on how the human body works, and people with long covid are stuck in that knowledge gap.

Re: The burden of Long Covid “so large as to be unfathomable”

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post #12

> The best way to not get long Covid is to not get Covid, and the best way to not get Covid is to be well vaccinated and boosted and have a good level of antibodies to stop the virus getting in. I know people who got multiple jabs and have had Covid-19 several times already. These suggestions are useless. > in those breakthrough cases in the vaccinated people, your chance of long Covid is further reduced perhaps by a…

Take your chances with what? The vaccine was free for me all 3 times I had it. When I had Covid post-vaccine it was much more mild than when I had it pre-vaccine, though there are several confounding variables present there.

Re: The burden of Long Covid “so large as to be unfathomable”

#59

There is a lack of hard scientific evidence definitively proving this. However you may know in your bones that this is real, from lived experience or from people you know. Please keep that in mind when you dismiss other things that lack definitive scientific evidence. We as humans seem to pick and choose which currently unverified things to believe and which to dismiss.

Man is a credulous animal, and must believe something; in the absence of good grounds for belief, he will be satisfied with bad ones.
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