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The burden of Long Covid “so large as to be unfathomable”

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Re: The burden of Long Covid “so large as to be unfathomable”

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Post by stefs »

getmeinrn wrote: post #16

>And yet we know perfectly well that there were many people who were vaccinated who did get breakthrough infections and some of those have gone on to get long Covid, but we know that in those breakthrough cases in the vaccinated people, your chance of long Covid is further reduced perhaps by another 50 percent. As far as I see, they aren't referencing a specific study. But they are clearly making a connection between…

i'm interpreting this as: they're making a connection between reduced (but not eliminted) long covid risk after vaccination (compared to a higher risk when not being vaccinated at all).

Re: The burden of Long Covid “so large as to be unfathomable”

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Post by artimaeis »

monero-xmr wrote: post #28

There is a lack of hard scientific evidence definitively proving this. However you may know in your bones that this is real, from lived experience or from people you know. Please keep that in mind when you dismiss other things that lack definitive scientific evidence. We as humans seem to pick and choose which currently unverified things to believe and which to dismiss.

I think you mean there's a lack of broad consensus among scientists as to the root cause. There's scientific evidence aplenty. What constitutes as evidence of illness, if not ill people?

Re: The burden of Long Covid “so large as to be unfathomable”

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Post by ricksunny »

nafix wrote: post #23

Hasn't there been lots of evidence in the past year suggesting that Covid was created in a lab? If we were to go down this path: 1. Covid created in a lab (not proven, but high enough probability to be considered a reasonable option): https://oversight.house.gov/release/covid-origins-hearing-wr... 2. If Covid was created in a lab, this de-facto means that Covid has potential as a biological weapon. I don't see how th…

I haven't downvoted, but origins is off-topic from this thread, so the downvotes it appears you're in the course of receiving will only serve to stigmatize that topic in the HN commentariat context. If you're looking for leads into l̶a̶c̶k̶ o̶f̶ origins investigations, recommend browsing through US Right to Know, and the House Select subcomittee on coronavirus origins - link (partisan, unfortunately) https://www.twitter.com/covidselect

Disclaimer: I help with BiosafetyNow (which is also another source for content, advocacy & activism on the topic).

Re: The burden of Long Covid “so large as to be unfathomable”

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Post by smorrow »

jimbob45 wrote: post #8
ARandomerDude wrote: post #2

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COVID was feared to mutate into something dangerous and that's why we took it so seriously. The Spanish Flu started out similarly innocuously and then turned into something terrible. That's what we were trying to (and succeeded at being able to) avoid.

> That's what we were trying to (and succeeded at being able to) avoid.

What did he mean by this?

Re: The burden of Long Covid “so large as to be unfathomable”

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Post by OO000oo »

monero-xmr wrote: post #28

There is a lack of hard scientific evidence definitively proving this. However you may know in your bones that this is real, from lived experience or from people you know. Please keep that in mind when you dismiss other things that lack definitive scientific evidence. We as humans seem to pick and choose which currently unverified things to believe and which to dismiss.

Additionally, mathematics and scientific evidence are no match for the influence of power. The tendency of capital accumulation under capitalism is exceedingly straightforward, but the life of one trying to find peace with that reality is too painful to bear.

Re: The burden of Long Covid “so large as to be unfathomable”

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Post by dmccarty »

mikeyouse wrote: post #3

There's a popular opinion I've seen on HN that "long Covid" isn't a real phenomenon but it's pretty easy to reject that out of hand. There have been several studies, including a recent quadruple blinded one (where participants, care providers, investigators and outcomes assessors are all blinded to treatment/control groups) that show some interventions have statistically significant benefits to treating it; https://w…

Mostly agree with the other posters here. To add my own anecdotal piece, I had a majority of the 12 symptoms[1][2] defined as long covid. Got covid immediately in Northern Thailand, Dec 2019. Over the next 24 months I went from a healthy (perhaps hyper fit) 40-something male to someone who could barely drag himself to the gym, struggled to complete workouts, went through bouts of mental fog, heart arrythmias, chronic exhaustion, etc. Power outputs were down ~20% on pre- vs. post-covid tracked workouts. Doctors were unsympathetic, prescribed vitamin D for lack of sunlight.

But it's impossible to know if "long covid" is causal vs. ancillary. I'm also 3 years older now, and who knows, maybe that's just part of life and the aging process. I'll say that what helped me the most was just consistently getting out of the house and getting exercise. I started small but it had its own compounding effects. I'm up to about 4 - 5 times per week now. Whether that's walking, running, lifting, or a even a Murph, every bit of exercise seems to have helped me down the (long) road to recovery.

I'll probably never be back to my old fitness level, but things are at least better now. Long covid is as undefinable as it is real, but it can be beat imho. ymmv of course. Good luck to all who are struggling with this.

[1] https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/toward-...

[2] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37278994/

Re: The burden of Long Covid “so large as to be unfathomable”

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Post by pfannkuchen »

unethical_ban wrote: post #37
Proven wrote: post #12

> The best way to not get long Covid is to not get Covid, and the best way to not get Covid is to be well vaccinated and boosted and have a good level of antibodies to stop the virus getting in. I know people who got multiple jabs and have had Covid-19 several times already. These suggestions are useless. > in those breakthrough cases in the vaccinated people, your chance of long Covid is further reduced perhaps by a…

What risk do you perceive from being vaccinated that makes it at least as risky as covid and long covid? You feel like shit for a day, true.

The fact that mRNA based interventions have never before been deployed and as an individual it’s sensible to be cautious about using them until there is long term safety data?

Re: The burden of Long Covid “so large as to be unfathomable”

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Post by retrac »

monero-xmr wrote: post #28

There is a lack of hard scientific evidence definitively proving this. However you may know in your bones that this is real, from lived experience or from people you know. Please keep that in mind when you dismiss other things that lack definitive scientific evidence. We as humans seem to pick and choose which currently unverified things to believe and which to dismiss.

I cannot comprehend a position of total long COVID denial, though I have encountered it online. Every virus you can think of that causes acute illness, can cause long term or even permanent damage. Sometimes rarely, sometimes often. Even the mildest common cold viruses, can, in very rare cases, be severe enough to cause pneumonia which causes scarring which leads to permanent loss of lung function. Hepatitis A is usually cleared without issue but sometimes significant liver scarring happens. The poxes can be cleared by the immune system but often immense scarring of the affected tissues happens. Viral meningitis...

For COVID to cause severe illness in a few % -- enough to kill in rare cases -- but to not cause permanent lung or heart or kidney damage etc. in some significant percent who got very sick is implausible, even incoherent with all other theories about how viral diseases cause disease.

Re: The burden of Long Covid “so large as to be unfathomable”

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Post by [deleted] »

jimbob45 wrote: post #8
ARandomerDude wrote: post #2

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COVID was feared to mutate into something dangerous and that's why we took it so seriously. The Spanish Flu started out similarly innocuously and then turned into something terrible. That's what we were trying to (and succeeded at being able to) avoid.

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